Nice Mob Rules Surprise in the Feed today!

I saw them couple of times around this time. It's cool watching this, thanks. Tony's tone and playing is great, he really stepped it up, his best ever, tasty.

Dio was so cool, I usually hate the glorious singers but Dio was different. :rock: He sang the Ozzy stuff better than Ozzy. Great stage presence.
 
Man the contrast between the Dio songs and the Ozzy songs is crazy, he nailed his own stuff and straight up butchered Ozzy's tunes.

Dropping all the Ozzy songs from the set when they reunited in the 2000s was the smartest thing they could've done.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
Man the contrast between the Dio songs and the Ozzy songs is crazy, he nailed his own stuff and straight up butchered Ozzy's tunes.

Dropping all the Ozzy songs from the set when they reunited in the 2000s was the smartest thing they could've done.
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At first I was going to disagree, but thinking about it, Dio was a bit over the top on some of the Sabbath tunes, War Pigs in particular.
 
CarlF said:
At first I was going to disagree, but thinking about it, Dio was a bit over the top on some of the Sabbath tunes, War Pigs in particular.
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His ego about making them his own shot him in the foot. You don’t fuck with 10 years of hearing those words sung that way by such a legendary band.
 
CarlF said:
At first I was going to disagree, but thinking about it, Dio was a bit over the top on some of the Sabbath tunes, War Pigs in particular.
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That was what was great about the later-years Heaven And Hell shows after Ozzy took back the Sabbath name.
Those shows with Dio were great because he didn't have to sing all of those tired Ozzy songs. I don't care if I ever hear Iron Man or Paranoid again.
 
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I saw them in 1982 when they were still able to use the Black Sabbath name and I thought RJD kicked ass on the Ozzy tunes . That show was off the hook . I think if they could’ve still legally used the Black Sabbath name in the mid 2000s they would’ve
 
hammered said:
I saw them in 1982 when they were still able to use the Black Sabbath name and I thought RJD kicked ass on the Ozzy tunes . That show was off the hook . I think if they could’ve still legally used the Black Sabbath name in the mid 2000s they would’ve
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They could have used it in the 2000s, Tony still owned the name and Ozzy didn't try to sue for it until after Dio had died. They changed the band name because they had just done six tours with the Ozzy lineup and didn't want fans to be confused.

It was the right thing to do. Sabbath with Dio was a totally different band than with Ozzy, especially after Bill Ward quit during the Heaven and Hell tour. Dio Sabbath is as different from Ozzy Sabbath as solo Ozzy is from Sabbath.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
They could have used it in the 2000s, Tony still owned the name and Ozzy didn't try to sue for it until after Dio had died. They changed the band name because they had just done six tours with the Ozzy lineup and didn't want fans to be confused.

It was the right thing to do. Sabbath with Dio was a totally different band than with Ozzy, especially after Bill Ward quit during the Heaven and Hell tour. Dio Sabbath is as different from Ozzy Sabbath as solo Ozzy is from Sabbath.
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Gotcha , I thought that they couldn’t use the Sabbath name because when RJD came back for the third time Sharon and Ozzy were now owners of the Sabbath name. I read about it all in Mick Walls book which is a good read, but I might have my timeframe screwed up.
 
hammered said:
Gotcha , I thought that they couldn’t use the Sabbath name because when RJD came back for the third time Sharon and Ozzy were now owners of the Sabbath name. I read about it all in Mick Walls book which is a good read, but I might have my timeframe screwed up.
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According to Ozzy, the lawsuit was about Tony owning Black Sabbath instead of it being split four ways between the original members. Ozzy's argument was that Tony was reduced to playing in clubs until the reunion in 1997, which dramatically improved the status and value of the brand. So basically, despite Tony not being successful on his own, he received a disproportionate share of profit from the group's reunion, including things like merchandise featuring the band's likeness, licensing of the band's music, etc. which he had final say on. They settled a year later and I don't think the terms of the settlement were ever revealed.

I wouldn't be surprised if an element of this did leak into Heaven & Hell. Perhaps changing the name was an attempt to prove the band could be successful without the name? If they had inklings of Ozzy's discontent with Tony being whole owner of the Sabbath name, maybe it would have aggravated things if they'd used the Sabbath name and possibly opened themselves up to being accused of piggy-backing on the Ozzy reunion. Notably, "The Devil You Know" was released just weeks before Ozzy's lawsuit was filed, and the album cover featured Sabbath's demon logo.

Either way, I would say that business aside, artistically Heaven & Hell is a much more fitting name for the band. Calling the group with Dio and Vinnie "Black Sabbath" makes as much sense as calling Audioslave "Rage Against the Machine," Velvet Revolver "Guns N' Roses," and Van Hagar "Van Halen" would.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
According to Ozzy, the lawsuit was about Tony owning Black Sabbath instead of it being split four ways between the original members. Ozzy's argument was that Tony was reduced to playing in clubs until the reunion in 1997, which dramatically improved the status and value of the brand. So basically, despite Tony not being successful on his own, he received a disproportionate share of profit from the group's reunion, including things like merchandise featuring the band's likeness, licensing of the band's music, etc. which he had final say on. They settled a year later and I don't think the terms of the settlement were ever revealed.

I wouldn't be surprised if an element of this did leak into Heaven & Hell. Perhaps changing the name was an attempt to prove the band could be successful without the name? If they had inklings of Ozzy's discontent with Tony being whole owner of the Sabbath name, maybe it would have aggravated things if they'd used the Sabbath name and possibly opened themselves up to being accused of piggy-backing on the Ozzy reunion. Notably, "The Devil You Know" was released just weeks before Ozzy's lawsuit was filed, and the album cover featured Sabbath's demon logo.

Either way, I would say that business aside, artistically Heaven & Hell is a much more fitting name for the band. Calling the group with Dio and Vinnie "Black Sabbath" makes as much sense as calling Audioslave "Rage Against the Machine," Velvet Revolver "Guns N' Roses," and Van Hagar "Van Halen" would.
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I think the rumor was that Sharon forced Tony to change the name if he wanted to participate in any future albums/tours with Ozzy which would certainly generate more revenue than a Heaven And Hell tour could.
That being said, the last H&H tour setlist was great. They did Falling Off The Edge of The World, Sign Of The Southern Cross, Die Young, Country Girl, etc.
Much more entertaining than the last Sabbath tour was in my opinion.
 
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