
MadAsAHatter
Well-known member
I saw where you said you're not on the same page as the Canadians who are all in an uproar. I want to address your points, but nothing is being directed at you. Just talking about the situation in general as I observe it.
Canada reminds me of that one friend who the only time you hear form them is when the need something. Anytime you need a favor or just want to hang out they're busy and can't do it. When you finally call them out on it they pitch a fit and pretend its a privilege they allow you to do favors for them and be their friend.
Or like back in school when you got partnered with the lazy person in class. You spend hours doing you share of the project and your lazy partner doesn't do any work expecting they can just ride the coattails of your work. So you end up doing everything yourself. Then they get all pissed when you let the teacher know what happened so they get an F while you get the A.
This all started with an off the cuff comment Trump made about Canada and Greenland; a literal throw-away line. In typical fashion the main stream media took off with this. Greenland bitched about it then seemed to move on. For whatever reason Canada latched onto it like Trump himself was going to lead an armada of tanks into the country. The trolling came after Canada's unhinged response. Canada could have been like "nah we're good, but we'll take Wyoming if y'all aren't using it. The same way we razz each other here for saying/doing something stupid. Friends do that with each other. But it appears Canada wasn't really friends with the US to begin with.I think the difference is tone and context. Trump is acting wildly aggressive in response to threats the very existence of which are extremely controversial and divisive in the US, and his actions are inflammatory to say the least. You said it yourself, he's trolling. Well, trolling people gets them riled up against you.
Thing is, none of this is actually a threat. All it would take to resolve the situation would be some conversation between the US and Canada. It's not like Trump hid that he wanted to renegotiate agreements with Canada and other countries. He was up front implementing tariffs to even the playing field. Trump asked for Canada to do a little more to secure their side of the border; not really that big of an ask. It's not that hard of a concept, don't tariff us we won't tariff you. If you tariff us, expect them in return. There cold be zero trade barriers today, but Canada decided they wanted to have a dick measuring contest and throw in with China instead.Carney is responding to a very real threat that almost all Canadians are in agreement needs to be defended against. Everything you mentioned he said in his speech, those are issues that have to be addressed simply because Trump has made it clear the US will no longer be a reliable trade partner. And unlike Trump, he's not trying to troll anybody. There are actually a fair few similarities between them - neither man had held public office before becoming President/PM, both come from the world of business/finance, both were elected on a platform of restoring their country's economy and national dignity.
Canada reminds me of that one friend who the only time you hear form them is when the need something. Anytime you need a favor or just want to hang out they're busy and can't do it. When you finally call them out on it they pitch a fit and pretend its a privilege they allow you to do favors for them and be their friend.
Or like back in school when you got partnered with the lazy person in class. You spend hours doing you share of the project and your lazy partner doesn't do any work expecting they can just ride the coattails of your work. So you end up doing everything yourself. Then they get all pissed when you let the teacher know what happened so they get an F while you get the A.
Agreed on this. Trump has certainly unified a large portion of Canada. Too bad that's the only banner they have to unite under. Same issue we're seeing with the US democratic party. Only unification they have is orange man bad. All this says is they have no substance to their policies, if any policies at all. Okay, resist Trump... All I've seen so far is pissing and moaning. Ya got any alternate solutions to make things better? And when Trump is out of office, what podium are you going to stand on then?Trump has done a tremendous job of unifying Canadians, this is certainly the most unified I can remember the country being in my lifetime. On a cynical note, Trump enabled Trudeau to leave office on a high note after a spectacular crash-and-burn, while the Liberal Party was able to pull off the comeback of a lifetime purely on the basis of being firmly against Trump, with the NDP actually falling back thanks to voters' concerns over splitting the vote and letting the Conservatives in. Basically, being anti-Trump is shooting fish in the barrel of Canadian politics.
I just don't get why Canada is so upset. Like @Findthetone1 mentioned, the US doesn't get their panties in a knot when another country enacts a foreign policy that's best for them. It's your country, do what you think is best for your own. If it affects the US, we can go to the table to talk amicably. When Trump said his plans Canada; and many other's, didn't even want to come by for a beer. If the US wanting to negotiate more fair agreements is what's gotten Canadians all in an uproar to the point of not even wanting to talk; like I said earlier, maybe they weren't the US's friend to begin with. I would think a true ally could at least have a seat at the table.The Obama presidency softened the anti-US sentiment among us a fair bit after Bush, but Trump's trade war has put almost every Canadian I know on the same page: Fuck Americans. Fuck the Republicans for electing Trump, fuck the Democrats for being too pathetic to stop him, fuck every single American, fuck them all. That's not the page I'm on at all, but fuck me is it ever prevalent right now.