Now: VHT Pitbull 50cl//Fryette deliverance 60: thoughts?

[cardinal]

Yeah, sorry. I really liked the 50CL. I wouldn't say it sounds "thin," just not as fat as some other amps. I brought it up only because I'm told that the Deliverance and the Sig:X have similar snarl but with a bit fatter footprint, so you may also want to loo into those, too.

 

[maddnotez]

Yeah, sorry. I really liked the 50CL. I wouldn't say it sounds "thin," just not as fat as some other amps. I brought it up only because I'm told that the Deliverance and the Sig:X have similar snarl but with a bit fatter footprint, so you may also want to loo into those, too.

The Sig-X is a Deliverance with multi channel and fx loop....From customer support. Not sure if pre and power are identical but very similar.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

never played the deliverance but I do own a VHT 50 CL w/EQ+Reverb and it is a killer amp paired with a VHT FB with P50E's..

 

[maddnotez]

never played the deliverance but I do own a VHT 50 CL w/EQ+Reverb and it is a killer amp paired with a VHT FB with P50E's..

reverb!!!???!! I wish my 100w had that

Have you tried the amp with other speakers or cabs?

Just curious of everyones P50e opinion.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

never played the deliverance but I do own a VHT 50 CL w/EQ+Reverb and it is a killer amp paired with a VHT FB with P50E's..

reverb!!!???!! I wish my 100w had that

Have you tried the amp with other speakers or cabs?

Just curious of everyones P50e opinion.

I've used it with a Bogner 4x12 with V30's and it sounded pretty good. When I got a 101B I paired that with the Bogner and got the VHT 4x12. I think its well matched well with VHT p50e's. Those are the only two cabs I ran the 50CL through. It sounded good in both but maybe just a bit better with VHT 4x12...could be the speakers or the fact that its a front loader vs rear loader like the Bogner.

 

[colimofsmoke]

Played the VHT deliverance 60. Thing sounds awesome. I def like the gain structure better than the Mesa. Way more cut than the Mesa, which is sort of good and bad. A lot easier to pull pinch harmonics. Maybe it's the 6l6's in the Mesa vs the kt88's in the VHT. But with the channels and modes, it's a lot easier to get into sludge/doom territory on the Mesa. I think my Blackouts might have leveled out some of the dynamics you guys mention about the VHT. It wasn't as hard to make it sound good as I thought it would be. Granted, I maxed the gain and had the depth control pretty deep, but it was seriously sounding pretty brutal with the schecter. My one holdup is that I was reminded how annoying it can be to only have one channel and no efx loop. I used to have an orange TT, which is obviously a dif beast altogether, but that amp drive me nuts with its lack of options and inability to take a delay. Supposed to play the pitbull tomorrow and then I'll know, I guess. Basically, if I only want to play heavy as hell, I'd go VHT, but I sometimes like to play super spacey, which is basically impossible on the VHT.

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Played the VHT deliverance 60. Thing sounds awesome. I def like the gain structure better than the Mesa. Way more cut than the Mesa, which is sort of good and bad. A lot easier to pull pinch harmonics. Maybe it's the 6l6's in the Mesa vs the kt88's in the VHT. But with the channels and modes, it's a lot easier to get into sludge/doom territory on the Mesa. I think my Blackouts might have leveled out some of the dynamics you guys mention about the VHT. It wasn't as hard to make it sound good as I thought it would be. Granted, I maxed the gain and had the depth control pretty deep, but it was seriously sounding pretty brutal with the schecter. My one holdup is that I was reminded how annoying it can be to only have one channel and no efx loop. I used to have an orange TT, which is obviously a dif beast altogether, but that amp drive me nuts with its lack of options and inability to take a delay. Supposed to play the pitbull tomorrow and then I'll know, I guess. Basically, if I only want to play heavy as hell, I'd go VHT, but I sometimes like to play super spacey, which is basically impossible on the VHT.

You can put any kind of effect right in the front of the amp. The delay will work in the front. It's alittle odd coming from just the guitar signal but it works. Also... GAIN ALL THE WAY UP??? DUDE! I play DEATH METAL and i dont even come CLOSE to that lol. Max gain at around 2 oclock. The least amount of gain you can get away with, the best. Glad you liked it though!!!

-Alex

 

[colimofsmoke]

Yeah I had the gain on more, thick, and the dial maxed. Sounded good to me. On the Mesa I run the gain a little past noon.

IMO, delay in front of tube distortion is only good for psychedelic wall of sound type stuff.

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Yeah I had the gain on more, thick, and the dial maxed. Sounded good to me. On the Mesa I run the gain a little past noon.

IMO, delay in front of tube distortion is only good for psychedelic wall of sound type stuff.

It reacts pretty different with the Deliverance. Steve made it really receptive to effects.

 

[D-Rock]

Once you play the Pittbull, you'll be at home.
The thing about VHT's is that you CAN max the gain and still have clarity and control. On mine, I like to either push the edge button out and nearly max the gain, or push the edge button in and put the gain at 3:00.
This is on channel 3 with no boost pedal, EMG's and V30's.
Absolutely ridiculous.

I also love the cleans on my Pittbull. With my EMG 60 in the neck, they are lush, bell like and warm.

 

[colimofsmoke]

So I played the pitbull 50. No bueno. It had no punch to it until the volume was about 2/3 of the way up, and at full tilt it only got as loud as my Mesa does at about 1/3 volume on 50 watts. Also, the boost had seemingly no effect. The eq was great. Also, the overall sound was nowhere near as good as the deliverance. Plus, the efx loop was affecting the aound when it was turned off. When the eq was on, it was like the efx loop was fully on, even though it was off. Also, having the presence and depth controls on the back was infuriating. Maybe it was a bad one, I dunno. I really like the deliverance, just wish it had efx loop and another channel.

 

[D-Rock]

Hmmm...never played a 50w version, my UL is an old 120w with no graphic eq and res/pres controls on the front.
I generally don't like 50w amps for high volume situations. For my needs, they sound too small and crumble under pressure.

 

[colimofsmoke]

Maybe so. The Mesa sounds great on 50, I've never needed to put it on 100. The deliverance 60 was just as loud and confident. That pitbull was very very weak though.

 

[Mr. Burton]

I will admit my 50cl had some trouble keeping up with my buddy's AC30 at a rehearsal hall a while back. I had it dimed with a big mid hump on the EQ running it through a Diezel 2x12. It really opens up around 2 o'clock on the master. No complaints on the loop. I run my Egnater M4 preamp into the fx return of the VHT for my W/D/W setup and it sounds comparable to what I'm getting from my Rivera TBR-5. Barely any perceived difference. Cleans are a bit weak IMO but I can get great distorted tones on both red and green channels.

 

[cardinal]

Try a Sig:X. It's supposed to be capable of sounding very similar to a Deliverance, and it has a loop.

 

[D-Rock]

Maybe so. The Mesa sounds great on 50, I've never needed to put it on 100. The deliverance 60 was just as loud and confident. That pitbull was very very weak though.

Could have been that amps bias, tubes etc.
I like how my 50's "sound" too, up to a certain volume mark. I play those amps when I can only play at respectable levels.

 

[maddnotez]

Maybe so. The Mesa sounds great on 50, I've never needed to put it on 100. The deliverance 60 was just as loud and confident. That pitbull was very very weak though.

Could have been that amps bias, tubes .

+1....Something doesn't add up. Ive never played the 50w pit. But what is it a 3db difference??? My 100 w Barks loudly. I keep master maxed, maybe a hair less. Channel volume gets to about 10:00 and then it starts overpowering everything and everyone.

Im guessing one of the buttons on the back of the amp was pushed in.

That will cause a HUGE loss of volume...

These amps are responsive. A different tube, different cab makes a world of difference.


If you dont feel comfortable with tone searching the amp get the D..if Fx is a must Sig-X.

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Maybe so. The Mesa sounds great on 50, I've never needed to put it on 100. The deliverance 60 was just as loud and confident. That pitbull was very very weak though.

Could have been that amps bias, tubes .

+1....Something doesn't add up. Ive never played the 50w pit. But what is it a 3db difference??? My 100 w Barks loudly. I keep master maxed, maybe a hair less. Channel volume gets to about 10:00 and then it starts overpowering everything and everyone.

Im guessing one of the buttons on the back of the amp was pushed in.

That will cause a HUGE loss of volume...

These amps are responsive. A different tube, different cab makes a world of difference.


If you dont feel comfortable with tone searching the amp get the D..if Fx is a must Sig-X.

Agreed +1

 

[colimofsmoke]

I have no problem tone searching an amp, but that amp was weak. Like I said, maybe something was up with it, like bad tubes or something. As I mentioned, the efx loop was kind of on to fully on when not engaged. I'm thinking about just buying the deliverance and keeping the Mesa for sludgier/spacer stuff.

 

[colimofsmoke]

Also, what button would have been pushed that would cause this?