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Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve
 
I blame the last person that touched your guitar!! :D


In all seriousness there is still the 90%+ around here that respect each other and understand tone is subjective as is gear, etc... We seem to get those that want to stir up some trouble fun sometimes, me being one and see what we can get cooking. Most know who these types are and the idea is not to cause animosity but to liven things up for some good discussions.

With the revealing of the CCV and the Axe FX II countdown going on around the same time the level is raised I bet from the norm. Both camps have a lot of strong hearted members and are vocal about the equipment. You have the CCV guys who love to play real tube amps and kick out the tunes and move some air. They are the bad boys of rock. You also have the Axe FX guys who want to upload that software, gloss spray thier hair and play pac man on thier phones and then jam those clips out of that USB port. So a lot of anxiety going on with just those two camps.

Then you got guys like Pete Thorn and Mark Day, they keep putting out good clips with any equipment they get their hands on. What do they think, that they should be able to make anything sound good? They have to stop this, or the boutique game is going to fall on its face......

I think your observation is a good one, coming at a time of change and movement in the musical industry. As we mature we know each day matters and so we have to either do something on our guitars, with our band, write a song, play a gig, punch a singer...... at the very least get out a new sysex file before noon. Gheeez the options are bewildering us all and how can we continue to mingle in one place with the plethora of options......

Wow I am reassessing my place in the realm of Rig Talk right now. We each have likes and dislikes and we all love music and gear. I think we all need to lighten up and quit taking the insults personal or possibly letting go of the insults for a while. (well except any short bus jokes towards bytor, that has to be allowed or I am out of here). But to everybody else some respect would be nice.

i mean really we have come to the conclusion of the last two days that some of the best providers of clips on the forum should put up some clips or shut up? I mean WTF??? Dave, Chubtone, Mark Day, Pete Thorn, I know I am missing some more. These clips were good, maybe not a tone for everybody but all very usable tones that would work for making music. Admit it, at the end of the day what you use servers 3 purposes.

1) It has the tone you desire.
2) It is in your price range
3) It moves you emotionally and inspires you.

If those three things can be conquered with your gear then #@$!@#$ everything else. Just hang on for the ride and have fun here. Some great guys on this board. I am sure a lot of them cannot stand my arrogant remarks sometimes, but I really only mean things in jest. I have made some of the best friends I have on this board over the last 3 years. Guys I have a lot of common with and guys that I can learn from and teach a bit too as well.

Observation is a good thing SteveK, I see you as the Wyatt Earp here and I am going to avoid the OK Corral for the next few days!! :D
 
steve_k":stz1otik said:
Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve
Can't say I've been witness to this more so than the usual waves of it now and then. Agreed, there are some tensions with the Axe, as weird as that may be, but overall, I'd say we have a tight ship with RT :thumbsup:

I think I missed some public brawling going on under Mark's Axe thread; other than this, nada :dunno:

V.
 
It has definitely changed recently. Seems more like a place to get people to buy stuff than almost anything else these days. It has taken a very commercial turn this year, and I'm not talking about the classifieds.

As far as animosity, there are a few people around here that drive me fucking nuts...they just won't shut the fuck up. I hold my tongue because arguing on the internet is almost the most ridiculous thing a grown man can do. All the drama over gear is sooooooooooooooo fucking stupid its not even funny and the constant threads about it have led me to not participate around here near as much as I used to.
 
Let's all sit back, relax, and take in this nice soothing music. This is sure to calm. :D
 
Devin's just madness in these recent works :scared:

V.

PS - yo, killertone...all waves pass m'man, sorry for the FD thread :thumbsup:
 
This place seems fine to me, still much better atmosphere than any other gear forum out there.
 
killertone":3cnif5lf said:
It has definitely changed recently. Seems more like a place to get people to buy stuff than almost anything else these days. It has taken a very commercial turn this year, and I'm not talking about the classifieds.

As far as animosity, there are a few people around here that drive me fucking nuts...they just won't shut the fuck up. I hold my tongue because arguing on the internet is almost the most ridiculous thing a grown man can do. All the drama over gear is sooooooooooooooo fucking stupid its not even funny and the constant threads about it have led me to not participate around here near as much as I used to.


This...... I find it a little bit annoying too. I could live with a section dedicated to commercial stuff.....(apart from the classifieds) but the overall feeling of hard sell is here....at least I feel it.

other than that, this is a very cool and special place I enjoy quite a lot! :)
 
Definitely a valid observation. I've been noticing this as well. Really disappointing. I think it'll turn back around though.
 
On the overall I think this is one of the most level headed forums, sure people are going to piss up a rope with my amp can beat up your amp stuff no matter what,( or my Axe FX can beat up your Mom :lol: :LOL: ) but I enjoy this forum and have learned a lot about a lot of different amps and rig configurations. There is some good humor present here as well. There is no point bagging on someone else's choice of amp rig or playing style, that's for sure. If you dig it, then dig it!
 
I havent noticed it, but I've been really busy lately too. Just hope it isn't one of those things where if you don't think your circle of friends has an asshole, you are the asshole... :aww:

On the offchance that I am the asshole, here are some tits.

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killertone":1kjgx33m said:
It has definitely changed recently. Seems more like a place to get people to buy stuff than almost anything else these days. It has taken a very commercial turn this year, and I'm not talking about the classifieds.

As far as animosity, there are a few people around here that drive me fucking nuts...they just won't shut the fuck up. I hold my tongue because arguing on the internet is almost the most ridiculous thing a grown man can do. All the drama over gear is sooooooooooooooo fucking stupid its not even funny and the constant threads about it have led me to not participate around here near as much as I used to.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks you, I didn't feel like typing. :D
 
:thumbsup: :rock: :thumbsup: :lol: :LOL:

JakeAC5253":sjf290w9 said:
I havent noticed it, but I've been really busy lately too. Just hope it isn't one of those things where if you don't think your circle of friends has an asshole, you are the asshole... :aww:

On the offchance that I am the asshole, here are some tits.

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I haven't really noticed any increased negativity, although maybe I'm just not reading the threads that are drawing the negativity.

I have noticed the increased commercialism. It doesn't really bother me outside of the blatant "I don't invest in bad product, thus the used market price will never drop" comments I keep seeing. It kind of throws a negative fuck into every thread it happens in as people always feel it necessary to fight over how the used market prices items instead of debating the relative merits of said item.
 
people take things for granted and i have come to the realization this is not the tight nit group it used to be 4 years ago. this is only the internet. im sure daily stress in everyone's lives is causing some of it, but the responses i have gotten lately from others i thought i could trust was a real eye opener. i do not ask for help and i dont expect it. ive turned to enjoying the forum as a dictionary of information more than anything else.
 
killertone":qiyvx81k said:
It has definitely changed recently. Seems more like a place to get people to buy stuff than almost anything else these days. It has taken a very commercial turn this year, and I'm not talking about the classifieds.

As far as animosity, there are a few people around here that drive me fucking nuts...they just won't shut the fuck up. I hold my tongue because arguing on the internet is almost the most ridiculous thing a grown man can do. All the drama over gear is sooooooooooooooo fucking stupid its not even funny and the constant threads about it have led me to not participate around here near as much as I used to.

I hear ya Jason....

The trolls and idiots are easy to deal with..........DELETE post and poof, it's gone. With the time difference, I can sweep up the previous night's carnage while most others are asleep.
 
Hey Guys,

I have been crazy busy as of late and have not policed this place as much as I have in the past and will make a point to be more Johnny on the spot. Has far as commercialism, well as the world turns. I give you guys this place for free with no memberships, supporting member fees or anything. I have taken on this world as my full time gig and try to do a good job bringing you guys killer kit. Am I going to mention it in my own house, yes I am. Are you forced to buy anything? You are not.

I'm no hippie but I am pretty chill too as those who have met and done biz with me will confirm. This is not a hobby for me it's what I do to make a living. Nobody is forced to read our for sale threads or watch our gear videos. I am going to put a stop to the attacks, crass pictures etc and clean house a bit. If at the end of the day RT is not for you then I ask you to find a place you prefer or start and pay for your own forum.

I think we have a great group here and I will do my best to keep it that way.
 
King Guitar":25772swi said:
Hey Guys,

I have been crazy busy as of late and have not policed this place as much as I have in the past and will make a point to be more Johnny on the spot. Has far as commercialism, well as the world turns. I give you guys this place for free with no memberships, supporting member fees or anything. I have taken on this world as my full time gig and try to do a good job bringing you guys killer kit. Am I going to mention it in my own house, yes I am. Are you forced to buy anything? You are not.

I'm no hippie but I am pretty chill too as those who have met and done biz with me will confirm. This is not a hobby for me it's what I do to make a living. Nobody is forced to read our for sale threads or watch our gear videos. I am going to put a stop to the attacks, crass pictures etc and clean house a bit. If at the end of the day RT is not for you then I ask you to find a place you prefer or start and pay for your own forum.

I think we have a great group here and I will do my best to keep it that way.

Good response here.
 
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