Observation

[Spaceboy]

By commercialism, are you fellas talking about how RT and TM are sort of merging? 'Cause I think it's awesome.

 

[TeleBlaster]

Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve

GW must be having a hard time finding new musicians to follow and material to write about. It's becoming a useless rag like everything else in print media.

Steve

I've worked in the production side of newspapers and publication printing for 27 years. Why do you have to hate on me?

Just an observation.

 

[glip22]

By commercialism, are you fellas talking about how RT and TM are sort of merging? 'Cause I think it's awesome.

Agreed. How can anyone fault them. I think it was a great opportunity for all parties. This has been Brad's dream, for I am sure, a long while now. He is living it. We are helping him and don't forget he has helped us. Rig Talk has provided me with a place I can find some solace in, along with keeping on top of music, gear, and the times. I havn't paid a dime for that. There are many very intelligent, good people on this forum. And in light of the CCV, Cameron drama, the Axe FX, I have been having a good time watching it all unfold.

 

[PeteLaramee]

I haven't been around much at all lately so I haven't noticed too much. Today is the first I've heard of the Axe II so and by looking through some threads I see I'm the last to find out.

Having said all that - I blame my mother.

 

[some dude]

It's not the commercialism that bothers me. IMO, Brad owns the site and he can do whatever he wants with it 'cause it's his and he pays for it.

It's more the hard sell tactic that slides in every once in awhile.

If anything, he's been introducing stuff to the forum lately that the average internet joe hasn't even heard of, and on a rock/metal forum the selection of gear is a nice contrast to TGPs focus on whatever TAG was into.

Anyway, I've said my piece twice now, I just felt the need to clarify... and now I'm out before I feel like I'm beating a dead horse.

 

[steve_k]

Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve

GW must be having a hard time finding new musicians to follow and material to write about. It's becoming a useless rag like everything else in print media.

Steve

I've worked in the production side of newspapers and publication printing for 27 years. Why do you have to hate on me?

Just an observation.

What's your point? I know you aren't Randy and I doubt you are Sharon. My point is GW doesn't need to go back a decade and pull up dirt and innuendo on a dead man to produce an interesting article, whether true or not. Surely there are better things to write about.

Steve

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Rig Talk has been transformed into a store front/marketing portal? When did that happen, I'm shocked!

 

[killertone]

It's not the commercialism that bothers me. IMO, Brad owns the site and he can do whatever he wants with it 'cause it's his and he pays for it.

It's more the hard sell tactic that slides in every once in awhile.

If anything, he's been introducing stuff to the forum lately that the average internet joe hasn't even heard of, and on a rock/metal forum the selection of gear is a nice contrast to TGPs focus on whatever TAG was into.

Anyway, I've said my piece twice now, I just felt the need to clarify... and now I'm out before I feel like I'm beating a dead horse.

I agree, it is Brad's place and he can do whatever he wants, no doubt about it. If he were to merge with TM and not utilize this place as a built-in customer base and advertising mecca, he would be crazy! I understand that completely. Forum guys are his main customer base, most "normal" (read: non form guitar players ) don't buy the stuff talked about around here. Anyway, I only meant what I said as an observation, and I believe it happens to also be true. I meant no disrespect in any way.

I have been here since the inception of this forum a long time ago. I have made some great friends here and 99% of the time it is an awesome place to be.

 

[TeleBlaster]

Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve

GW must be having a hard time finding new musicians to follow and material to write about. It's becoming a useless rag like everything else in print media.

Steve

I've worked in the production side of newspapers and publication printing for 27 years. Why do you have to hate on me?

Just an observation.

What's your point? I know you aren't Randy and I doubt you are Sharon. My point is GW doesn't need to go back a decade and pull up dirt and innuendo on a dead man to produce an interesting article, whether true or not. Surely there are better things to write about.

Steve

Oh, I don't care about GW or Randy or Sharon, I just take exception to "... a useless rag like everything else in print media..."
And the point is everybody types things in a forum setting that someone else may not agree with. To take personal offense is silly, (I certainly do not, just using your previous post as an illustration) and to all of a sudden say that the R-T world has become an angry place for you as you are filled with nothing but peace and joy and goodwill towards your fellow man is most certainly hypocritical, as I have enjoyed and been greatly entertained by your own acerbic comments towards other members here.
As far as a "turn for the worst", it always has been mob rule here, and in fact it is a lot milder than it used to be.
I came over when Krank amps joined, and was brow-beaten, dogged, threatened, and spammed on my own forum for weeks afterwards.
After that debacle settled, some time later I was forced to nuke my previous member account and start a new one after a short "break" because one of the mods here continually harassed me after every post I made, obviously trying to make me go away because of a personal beef, and I've never met the guy.
There are some great contributors here that seem to truly want to be helpful but the majority are snarky jokers and there are even some mean spirited troll-ish folks.
It is what it is, just another source of entertainment with some sporadic usefulness.
Good luck in trying to elevate the forum beyond that point.
And yes, Brad owns it, so it also has become a marketing tool and storefront just like every other manufacturer's forum out there. Dissension from the lineup is only tolerated in measured doses.

 

[steve_k]

Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve

GW must be having a hard time finding new musicians to follow and material to write about. It's becoming a useless rag like everything else in print media.

Steve

I've worked in the production side of newspapers and publication printing for 27 years. Why do you have to hate on me?

Just an observation.

What's your point? I know you aren't Randy and I doubt you are Sharon. My point is GW doesn't need to go back a decade and pull up dirt and innuendo on a dead man to produce an interesting article, whether true or not. Surely there are better things to write about.

Steve

Oh, I don't care about GW or Randy or Sharon, I just take exception to "... a useless rag like everything else in print media..."
And the point is everybody types things in a forum setting that someone else may not agree with. To take personal offense is silly, (I certainly do not, just using your previous post as an illustration) and to all of a sudden say that the R-T world has become an angry place for you as you are filled with nothing but peace and joy and goodwill towards your fellow man is most certainly hypocritical, as I have enjoyed and been greatly entertained by your own acerbic comments towards other members here.
As far as a "turn for the worst", it always has been mob rule here, and in fact it is a lot milder than it used to be.
I came over when Krank amps joined, and was brow-beaten, dogged, threatened, and spammed on my own forum for weeks afterwards.
After that debacle settled, some time later I was forced to nuke my previous member account and start a new one after a short "break" because one of the mods here continually harassed me after every post I made, obviously trying to make me go away because of a personal beef, and I've never met the guy.
There are some great contributors here that seem to truly want to be helpful but the majority are snarky jokers and there are even some mean spirited troll-ish folks.
It is what it is, just another source of entertainment with some sporadic usefulness.
Good luck in trying to elevate the forum beyond that point.
And yes, Brad owns it, so it also has become a marketing tool and storefront just like every other manufacturer's forum out there. Dissension from the lineup is only tolerated in measured doses.

OK, not everything else.....lighten up

 

[jcj]

Rig Talk seems to be taking a turn for the worse and headed down the wrong road. Instead of being an open forum for discussing gear, it has become a place for slinging shit, judgement and prejudice.

Why all the animosity?


Steve

Yeah man, I've noticed that as well, and am posting/viewing less as a result.

The truth is, it comes down to several douche bags who absolutely NEVER have anything good to say about anything; some people just like to run their mouths.

In the real world, this behavior is generally stopped early in life (by regular beatings); on the net, not so much

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Agreed. Its only going to get worse.

It's not all that different than when Scott Lehman sold Harmony Central to Musician's Friend, albeit on a much smaller scale.

The forum is more of a side show, and not the main attraction to the larger business plan now.

 

[TeleBlaster]

OK, not everything else.....lighten up

LOL
'K - it's much more fun playing the smart aleck anyway.

 

[dulrich1227]

being a relatively new to the forum ... i noticed a slight flair up when the axeII news dropped ... but all that was mentioned above.. I enjoy popping in - reading/learning/listening and maybe drop my 2cents here n there .. but its a forum and everyone has an opinion .. some men to me just seem to take the interwebz a little to personal ...

 

[Nico]

By commercialism, are you fellas talking about how RT and TM are sort of merging? 'Cause I think it's awesome.

Agreed. How can anyone fault them. I think it was a great opportunity for all parties. This has been Brad's dream, for I am sure, a long while now. He is living it. We are helping him and don't forget he has helped us. Rig Talk has provided me with a place I can find some solace in, along with keeping on top of music, gear, and the times. I havn't paid a dime for that. There are many very intelligent, good people on this forum. And in light of the CCV, Cameron drama, the Axe FX, I have been having a good time watching it all unfold.

I agree, I think that is actually a great thing! As long as there are a few stickies dedicated to it I am allright. Its not like you're getting spam on every thread!
Everyone can choose what they want to read anyway!

 

[JakeAC5253]

Out of curiosity, why was the non-nude image that I posted removed? I don't believe that I've violated any rules by posting it. Are people getting so uptight here that we can't even laugh and joke as mature men as we once used to? That's the whole reason I hang around here. If this place turns into little-TGP, where everything has to be scripted in lawyer speak... I won't be sticking around for long.

 

[steve_k]

Out of curiosity, why was the non-nude image that I posted removed? I don't believe that I've violated any rules by posting it. Are people getting so uptight here that we can't even laugh and joke as mature men as we once used to? That's the whole reason I hang around here. If this place turns into little-TGP, where everything has to be scripted in lawyer speak... I won't be sticking around for long.

I think someone tried to fix it, not delete it. It just showed "IMAGE" on the screen. Maybe the link was bad. Feel free to repost some boobs.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

It has definitely changed recently. Seems more like a place to get people to buy stuff than almost anything else these days. It has taken a very commercial turn this year, and I'm not talking about the classifieds.

Agreed. Its only going to get worse.

yup!

 

[glip22]

Out of curiosity, why was the non-nude image that I posted removed? I don't believe that I've violated any rules by posting it. Are people getting so uptight here that we can't even laugh and joke as mature men as we once used to? That's the whole reason I hang around here. If this place turns into little-TGP, where everything has to be scripted in lawyer speak... I won't be sticking around for long.

I think someone tried to fix it, not delete it. It just showed "IMAGE" on the screen. Maybe the link was bad. Feel free to repost some boobs.

Steve,
What happened to this thread? It dissapeared.

 

[racerevlon]

Personally, I have only seen a small sampling of this. I've actually found this forum to be a great source of knowledge and advice from some people who know what they're talking about, and a great place to find, trade, and sell gear.

That said, hanging around has also given cause for SERIOUS introspection. When did I start caring more about the tone than the music? Recently getting back into a band situation made me realize/remember that there's a WORLD of difference between solo tone and band tone. So what the heck am I doing "tone chasing" and flipping amps following the flavor of the month. There have been a couple recent threads about live/band tone and about trying to get back to single-amp setup. I think this is a great idea, except when people do solo (no band) clips they get bashed or praised for their tone. But if you stop and think, how many of the great songs we all know and love do we love PURELY because of the guitar tone? I would guess a low percentage. I was never a fan of my old favorites (Maiden, Priest, Scorpions, Metallica, etc.) because of the guitar tone--they wrote good songs.

I originally got into forums for the knowledge share. I think the problem is that opinion has overshadowed fact in some cases. The most expensive amp, guitar, pickup, etc. isn't always the best anymore. Gear has become more of a status symbol than a music-making tool, and that makes me a sad panda...