Ohm Mismatch Question

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So I have been reading all over the internet...but I trust Rigtalk to give me good advice.

Basically, is this a safe ohm mismatch. 8 ohm amp into a 16 ohm speaker? Might have asked something similar awhile ago but just want to double check.
 
Yes... That is no problem... You can go 4 into an 8 also...

Just don't ever reverse it never go 8 or 16 into a 4ohm cab... You will damage the transformer...

The Higher Number on the cab means an easier load.

Roid
 
Running an amp into a higher load than the amp is looking to see will cause flyback voltage and can do a lot of damage. I don't recommend any mismatch ever. I know there are plenty of guys that have gotten away with it, some for many years, but that doesn't mean you will. There are manufacturers that will tell you it's ok, they won't pay for the damage when it happens. I have repaired sooooo much damage from improper loads and flyback voltageand I see the damage it does.

I can speed down the highway everyday and just because the cop wasn't there yesterday or for the last 3 months doesn't mean todays not the day he is. If one player did it with no damage, it doesn't mean you'll be so lucky.
Jerry
 
Wait a minute. How am I supposed to run my Mesa into 16 ohm Marshall cabs? From the 8 ohm output? :confused:

I did it like that with my old Mesa into two Marshall 4x12's for about 15 years! 8 ohm outputs into two 16 ohm Marshall cabs.
 
Badronald":2x06k3lv said:
Wait a minute. How am I supposed to run my Mesa into 16 ohm Marshall cabs? From the 8 ohm output? :confused:

I did it like that with my old Mesa into two Marshall 4x12's for about 15 years! 8 ohm outputs into two 16 ohm Marshall cabs.


Two 16 ohm cabs in parallel is 8 ohms. That is the correct way to run it.
Jerry
 
Speaking about tube amps with an OT, and not SS with no OT.

Actually, too high an impedance speaker, up to and including an open, can damage an OT, while a lower impedance speaker is fine. Example, using the amp with no speaker or no shorting jack attached to the output can damage the OT. At some point the impedance becomes too high, but a 2 to 1 mismatch either way will be fine. An 8 ohm amp can easily and safely run a 4 or 16 ohm speaker. Even a 2 ohm speaker on an 8 ohm amp would be fine, but a 32 ohm might be too high.

Using a lower impedance speaker, down to and including a short circuit across the output is fine, no worry of damage. Many amps even have a shorting jack that will short the OT secondary if the speaker is unplugged, and this will protect the amp from damage. If a short circuit on the output protects the amp, then a low impedance speaker load won't do any harm either.

Sometimes a mismatch can give a better sound than matched. The best sound from my Twkr is with the amp set to 16 ohms and using an 8 ohm spkr cab. The sound is just a little crisper than with the amp set to 8 ohms. A 4 ohm amp like a Champion 600, sounds better to me with an 8 ohm speaker than it does with a 4 ohm speaker. Using the entire secondary of the OT (highest impedance setting) will give the best sound with various impedance speakers IMO.

Remember that the speaker impedance is a nominal value determined at one specific frequency (typically 1KHz), as the actual impedance of a speaker at any point is determined by the frequency going to it at that particular point in time. If a 2 to 1 mismatch caused any harm to amps, then every amp would blow up unless you only played a 1Khz tone through it at all times. ;)
 
Mismatch in either direction carries risk. A lower load stresses yeah transformer. A higher load magnifies the fly back voltages and can fry components. How safe it really is probably depends on how overbuilt the amp is. Mesa says their amps can run with a slight mismatch, and I assume they wouldn't say that unless they've tested it somehow.
 
Not true about lower impedance stressing anything. You are dealing with AC on the output of an amp, not DC, so it isn't that simple. For AC circuits, impedance, frequency and power are interdependent. With a lower than matched speaker impedance, the power just does not develop to begin with.

If you don't understand the concept, just scour these or any other forums for any one that has blown an amp due to an acceptable impedance mismatch. ;) (not counting Marshall, those blow for no reason at all :lol: :LOL: )

As stated, it is perfectly acceptable to use a 16 ohm cab with your 8 ohm MB amp.
 
paisleytone":29w2i5ka said:
How am I supposed to run my Mesa into 16 ohm Marshall cabs? From the 8 ohm output?

Wire the cabs for 8 ohms.

I like this answer.

And to avoid all confusion and risk of damaging your amp or cab. Match the ohms always.

I've read many places that you can run a lower rated amp into a higher rated cab safely and draw less power. I have also done it successfully many times but it was with a cheap amp I didn't care about.

I'm not a scientist and I don't know the definitive answer but I trust Jerry's info and prefer the safe lane.
 
Its says right in the Mesa Road King manual that you can do a safe mismatch.

What the hell? Now I am confused.
 
Yeah, if you really know about electronics, you might understand that an impedance mismatch with in a 2 to 1 ratio is fine for a tube amp. Otherwise, you can be paranoid and listen to the superstitious that don't know what they are talking about. I am certain that MB knows a little about amps.

BTW, "flyback" is a principle that occurs anytime voltage is applied and removed from a transformer, not just with a mismatch. :loco:
 
Read the question and answer from "Chuck" where Weber discusses both mismatches:

http://www.webervst.com/sptalk.html

Really, I think the impedance ratings all around are kinda fuzzy or estimates anyway and that the actual impedance aren't exactly static.
 
longfxukxnhair":19qy74eb said:
Its says right in the Mesa Road King manual that you can do a safe mismatch.

What the hell? Now I am confused.
Have fun with that.

I'll stick with matching, you guys can do math and roll dice.
 
paisleytone":3p667j87 said:
How am I supposed to run my Mesa into 16 ohm Marshall cabs? From the 8 ohm output?

Wire the cabs for 8 ohms.


You can't wire a cab with four 16 ohm speakers to 8 ohms.. Not without sprinkling on some magic dust, or get four new, 8-ohm speakers.
Many 1960 cabs can be run in 4 or 16 ohms, and the Mesa has a 4 ohm output. That's how I'd use it, if I was using only one cab.

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ke2":9v4lqle5 said:
paisleytone":9v4lqle5 said:
How am I supposed to run my Mesa into 16 ohm Marshall cabs? From the 8 ohm output?

Wire the cabs for 8 ohms.


You can't wire a cab with four 16 ohm speakers to 8 ohms.. Not without sprinkling on some magic dust, or get four new, 8-ohm speakers.
Many 1960 cabs can be run in 4 or 16 ohms, and the Mesa has a 4 ohm output. That's how I'd use it, if I was using only one cab.

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Not trying to be a dick but you most certainly can.

My can is wired at 8 ohms and has four 16 ohm speakers. More than 1 way to skin a cat.
 
You're not a dick, but how the fuck would you wire 4 16 ohm speakers to 8 ohms without adding resistors (i.e. magic dust) :D
 
ke2":1qu63vvo said:
You're not a dick, but how the fuck would you wire 4 16 ohm speakers to 8 ohms without adding resistors (i.e. magic dust) :D

like you said you can't without the magic "stereo" dust :lol: :LOL:
 
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