ok you pickup wiring gurus

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got a brain twister for you..

can I or can I NOT run a seymour duncan p rails in the bridge and a single coil in the neck with a five way switch!!!

I emailed duncan...they said they don't 'have that shematic' so ask on their boards or email http://www.guitarelectronics.com ...which I did both...but I ain't spending $30 to get a custom wiring diagram...

if you know anything about the p rails it's usually wired to a three way mini toggle..one position does full bucker, one does p 90, the other does single coil rails...

NOW...my thinking is, with a five way switch I could do that..THEN in the fourth position I could get the single in the neck and the single rails from the p rails going at the same time..and in the fifth position it would just be the neck single coil...

granted I know nothing about switches...I don't know if a three way mini toggle and a three way fender/strat switch work the same or not...but the five way switch makes sense to my limited guitar tech intellect...

SECONDLY...I would even settle for the fourth position on the switch doing jack shit and just have 1-3 be the p rails in its different forms and 5 (or 4..doesn't really matter now that It hink about it) be just the single coil without any interaction with the p rails at all..

then we could get into tone pots but let's just keep it simple and limited to the switch for the time being..

thoughts? GO!!!
 
Like chum said, a good way to do it is with a mega/super switch. I wasn't super keen on the single-coil like rail on the P-Rail, and that was one of the selling points for me, BUT, all the other positions are pretty good to great. The rail might get you by in a pinch, but it wasn't super convincing for me. Instead of toggles, I used two push/pull pots, which gave me ALL of the combinations. You could do a three way blade and two push/pulls and get all the combos you want.
 
chum--
thanks for the info..I'll have to take a look see at that

stramm--
duncan actually told me to email them to get help..can you beleive that? The maker of the pup couldn't help me..lol
 
grooveHT":2rotediv said:
Like chum said, a good way to do it is with a mega/super switch. I wasn't super keen on the single-coil like rail on the P-Rail, and that was one of the selling points for me, BUT, all the other positions are pretty good to great. The rail might get you by in a pinch, but it wasn't super convincing for me. Instead of toggles, I used two push/pull pots, which gave me ALL of the combinations. You could do a three way blade and two push/pulls and get all the combos you want.
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funny you should post in this thread...vrad mentioned your name while we were talking about it earlier...

anywho...are you using a 5 way super switch in combination with the two push/pulls? I'm not looking for anything super crazy...as long as I can get full rails capability on its own and be able to switch over to the single in the neck I'd be happy..

as far as the rails...that's ok...I tend to have to boost the shit out of singles anyway...lol..as long as the character is there a little then I'd be happy...

just looking for a pretty much definitive solution on how to do it so I know how to order up my pick guard, how many knobs, pots, what kind, etc..
 
shreder75":357q7hxe said:
grooveHT":357q7hxe said:
Like chum said, a good way to do it is with a mega/super switch. I wasn't super keen on the single-coil like rail on the P-Rail, and that was one of the selling points for me, BUT, all the other positions are pretty good to great. The rail might get you by in a pinch, but it wasn't super convincing for me. Instead of toggles, I used two push/pull pots, which gave me ALL of the combinations. You could do a three way blade and two push/pulls and get all the combos you want.
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funny you should post in this thread...vrad mentioned your name while we were talking about it earlier...

anywho...are you using a 5 way super switch in combination with the two push/pulls? I'm not looking for anything super crazy...as long as I can get full rails capability on its own and be able to switch over to the single in the neck I'd be happy..

as far as the rails...that's ok...I tend to have to boost the shit out of singles anyway...lol..as long as the character is there a little then I'd be happy...

just looking for a pretty much definitive solution on how to do it so I know how to order up my pick guard, how many knobs, pots, what kind, etc..
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Hold on tight, the explanation gets a little batty here. Vlad the bastard has probably told you about my pickup switching madness. In this case, the two P-Rails were installed in an HSH config. I wanted to be able to get the inside rails together, which isn't normally doable on a 5-way. In this case, I switched the middle and neck pickups on the switch. SO:

1: Middle
2: Middle+Neck
3: Neck
4: Neck + Bridge
5: Bridge

I'd knock it into position 4 and pop the vol pot up, got the inner coils. Anyway, my take on your problem is that if you want all the possible combinations, go with the pots and a three way, otherwise, wiring a superswitch will require a LOT of jumpers. If you just want series and split-single coil, that's easy enough to do with a push pull or a mini switch, but the P-90 coil is damn good, and the parallel is damn good as well. My take, do two mini switches or two push pull pots.

I completely circumvented your question. I guess, list the five configurations you'd like as they're laid out on a switch.
 
grooveHT":2bi1b2sg said:
shreder75":2bi1b2sg said:
grooveHT":2bi1b2sg said:
Like chum said, a good way to do it is with a mega/super switch. I wasn't super keen on the single-coil like rail on the P-Rail, and that was one of the selling points for me, BUT, all the other positions are pretty good to great. The rail might get you by in a pinch, but it wasn't super convincing for me. Instead of toggles, I used two push/pull pots, which gave me ALL of the combinations. You could do a three way blade and two push/pulls and get all the combos you want.
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funny you should post in this thread...vrad mentioned your name while we were talking about it earlier...

anywho...are you using a 5 way super switch in combination with the two push/pulls? I'm not looking for anything super crazy...as long as I can get full rails capability on its own and be able to switch over to the single in the neck I'd be happy..

as far as the rails...that's ok...I tend to have to boost the shit out of singles anyway...lol..as long as the character is there a little then I'd be happy...

just looking for a pretty much definitive solution on how to do it so I know how to order up my pick guard, how many knobs, pots, what kind, etc..
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Hold on tight, the explanation gets a little batty here. Vlad the bastard has probably told you about my pickup switching madness. In this case, the two P-Rails were installed in an HSH config. I wanted to be able to get the inside rails together, which isn't normally doable on a 5-way. In this case, I switched the middle and neck pickups on the switch. SO:

1: Middle
2: Middle+Neck
3: Neck
4: Neck + Bridge
5: Bridge

I'd knock it into position 4 and pop the vol pot up, got the inner coils. Anyway, my take on your problem is that if you want all the possible combinations, go with the pots and a three way, otherwise, wiring a superswitch will require a LOT of jumpers. If you just want series and split-single coil, that's easy enough to do with a push pull or a mini switch, but the P-90 coil is damn good, and the parallel is damn good as well. My take, do two mini switches or two push pull pots.

I completely circumvented your question. I guess, list the five configurations you'd like as they're laid out on a switch.
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ok...here's what it boils down to...p rails in the bridge, single coil (two wire) in the neck

1) humbucker -(series...they say you can wire that in parallell as you said to get a more paf vibe..but I want full bucker)
2) P 90
3) rails
4) ??
5) single coil we're putting in the neck position

now, I put ?? in four cause I'm wondering if I couldn't get the rails portion of the p rails and the single I'm putting in the neck going at the same time..this probably ain't possible..at least not with just a normal 5 way switch...so I would even be willing to just have that as a blank spot on the switch which does nothing at all..

I guess the main difference in our setups and the wiring diagrams they have on the duncan site is that they either have it shown for one p rail and nothing else, or two p rails together..I'm looking for the p rail and a neck single coil..which is the fly in the ointment
 
Crap, about time for me to hit the sack. I'll think about that for a while, however, something you can think about is whether you'd rather have the single+p90 for something more tele-ish, rather than the single+weak rail. Second thing, you might be able to get away with a series/parallel switch on your last position. Make no mistake though, that's going to be one Rosie Odonnell of a wiring project (huge, mouthy, a pain in the ass, and probably smells bad. The last part might not apply to your wiring, maybe). If you can get away with a push/pull on a tone or something and a mini-switch, and just do a 3-way, you'd get more usable combinations, have a much easier job wiring, be able to do it from their diagrams, and would make for easier switching (to me). I'll sleep on it though and see what I can come up with.
 
thanks man! i was looking on youtube and the new pacificas have a single p rails in there that they use with a three way switch..a blade switch..so I know that's at least possible...
 
If you were willing to make your switch a little non-traditional, you could do this:

1. Rail (or P90)
2. Bucker
3. P90 (or rail)
4. Position 3 + single
5. Single

I think you would need something like the 5 way switches that Ibanez uses, as I think they are 5 discreet switch points.
 
shreder75":p4n0da1t said:
thanks man! i was looking on youtube and the new pacificas have a single p rails in there that they use with a three way switch..a blade switch..so I know that's at least possible...
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I just sent you an email about this.
It's the combination of neck pup + strat 3-way that's causing the issue. You can do what Yamaha is doing easily. Just not sure how to work the neck pup in there.
 
I know..how about this..a three way switch for the p rails then a push pull that engages the neck single only? The interaction between the neck and p rails isn't really a priority
 
k...I think vrad and I (most vrad) got this fucker licked....(no thanks to duncan by the way..'check our forums out for some help'..um...fuck you? you made it!!..but I digress)

three way on-off-on mini toggle dpdt switch for splitting the various modes of the p rails...and that hooked up to a three way blade switch that'll allow switching from the p rails to the neck...the neck won't have any interaction with the toggle or the p rails..but that's ok...

so two knobs, a mini toggle and a 3 way blade...

what a pain in the arse =D
 
shreder75":2hnrkzuh said:
k...I think vrad and I (most vrad) got this fucker licked....(no thanks to duncan by the way..'check our forums out for some help'..um...fuck you? you made it!!..but I digress)

three way on-off-on mini toggle dpdt switch for splitting the various modes of the p rails...and that hooked up to a three way blade switch that'll allow switching from the p rails to the neck...the neck won't have any interaction with the toggle or the p rails..but that's ok...

so two knobs, a mini toggle and a 3 way blade...

what a pain in the arse =D
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So I was pretty damn close? :D
 
grooveHT":1hpkn407 said:
shreder75":1hpkn407 said:
k...I think vrad and I (most vrad) got this fucker licked....(no thanks to duncan by the way..'check our forums out for some help'..um...fuck you? you made it!!..but I digress)

three way on-off-on mini toggle dpdt switch for splitting the various modes of the p rails...and that hooked up to a three way blade switch that'll allow switching from the p rails to the neck...the neck won't have any interaction with the toggle or the p rails..but that's ok...

so two knobs, a mini toggle and a 3 way blade...

what a pain in the arse =D
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So I was pretty damn close? :D
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yes..just that you had the extra p rails in the equation..other than that it's almost the same!
 
If you look at it as 3 single coils, you could do your 3 mini toggles without needing anything else. You could also do your basic 3 way with 2 mini toggles (on/off for each coil of the p rail). As long as you don't need to switch series to parallel, this shouldn't be a tough configuration. Doing it with a 5 way would force you to make some weird choices, like...
1.neck single
2.neck single and bridge rail
3.p 90 only
4.neck single and bridge hum
5.bridge hum

You could get every possible configuration with either 3 minis or 2 minis and a 3 way... by adding a push pull for the series/parallel.
 
hmmm..I think a three way with two minis would start to get a little too crowded....
 
shreder75":25oicroi said:
hmmm..I think a three way with two minis would start to get a little too crowded....
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the three-way knife with two minis is doable though...c'mon, I fit them on a steinberger :D
 
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