On a Diezel fix.... what would you suggest??

[maddnotez]

Im not a Diezel expert so my opinion sucks.

With that being said I have listened to all of the sound clips in the world from these amps..

Im with the rest I would say Herbert all day long but that is for me.

Versatility wise and from what you are looking for I would go for the VH-4 if I were you.

 

[Nico]

Lots of love for the D-Moll.. which is a good thing. Im between the Einstein and D-Moll based on my above needs. Keep the opinions coming if youve played one/both or at least heard them in a room. Cheers

I own an Einstein. I really liked it until I bought the Friedman Marsha / Brown Eye

They are different but I think the Friedman is THE amp for that aggressive modded Marshall tone.

I think there are better amps to do what the Einstein is supposed to do.

The Einstein is built like a rock and is more compressed and gainier than the Friedman. It can cope really heavy sounds.

But for that sounds I much rather have a Herbert or VH4... So the Einstein fills a niche which I fill I can cover better with say a Friedman or PT-100...

 

[Ventura]

D-Moll will be your best bet for the flexibility you're looking for. Furthermore it's not a high-tension buy-in price.

Just go for it.

Peace,
Mo

Im telling ya, if I could find a decent deal on a used D-Moll, I'd most likely jump on it today. Hard to find tho and I can't afford new. Cheers Mo

That's gotta tell ya something right there, no?

Hang in there - I'd save up for the right head as opposed to splash for something just to ease the pain. Hold out for the D-Moll and you'll be stoked when you get it.

Peace,
Mo

 

[suhrimmetal]

D-Moll will be your best bet for the flexibility you're looking for. Furthermore it's not a high-tension buy-in price.

Just go for it.

Peace,
Mo

Im telling ya, if I could find a decent deal on a used D-Moll, I'd most likely jump on it today. Hard to find tho and I can't afford new. Cheers Mo

That's gotta tell ya something right there, no?

Hang in there - I'd save up for the right head as opposed to splash for something just to ease the pain. Hold out for the D-Moll and you'll be stoked when you get it.

Peace,
Mo

That's kinda what Im thinking as well... my impatient, impulsive urges are trying to take over .. I am very happy with my Gower Killer Kali and it's still my number one... plus, I have a 5153 as backup in case something goes wrong at a gig or whatnot. So I do have good toys to play with... I 'should' just be patient and hold out for a used D-Moll to come available... It seems like an amp I would really dig!? Cheers Mo

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Hey Cory.....you left the one you need off the list - the Herbert. Wait for a good deal on a used one to pop up. If you like AB, Myles uses a Herbie. It is a thick, warm amp and will cover a ton of genres.

Hey Steve.. hope all is well bro. I had a Herbie years back and just found it really tight, compressed and un-organic.. That being said, Ive grown as a player, gear guy, etc since then so maybe I would like it more now I know Myles as well as Andy Wood uses one and they love em and sound great... I just think I need something a bit more open with a slightly more aggressive mid structure. The Herbie was great at single note riffing, chugging, etc.. Just found it blended and somewhat muddy when playing open chords or anything with string separation. once again, this was years back. Cheers

I would say this accurately describes the VH4, Einstein and Herbert. I'd look elsewhere if the voicing wasn't your thing. They are all voiced very similarly.

 

[spirit7]

D-Moll will be your best bet for the flexibility you're looking for. Furthermore it's not a high-tension buy-in price.

Just go for it.

Peace,
Mo

Im telling ya, if I could find a decent deal on a used D-Moll, I'd most likely jump on it today. Hard to find tho and I can't afford new. Cheers Mo

That's gotta tell ya something right there, no?

Hang in there - I'd save up for the right head as opposed to splash for something just to ease the pain. Hold out for the D-Moll and you'll be stoked when you get it.

Peace,
Mo

I have a Gower Kali (amazing amp), a XTC 20th and the Herbert. They are the perfect three flavours. Get a Herbie or a D-Moll and it'll compliment what you've got perfectly!

-C

That's kinda what Im thinking as well... my impatient, impulsive urges are trying to take over .. I am very happy with my Gower Killer Kali and it's still my number one... plus, I have a 5153 as backup in case something goes wrong at a gig or whatnot. So I do have good toys to play with... I 'should' just be patient and hold out for a used D-Moll to come available... It seems like an amp I would really dig!? Cheers Mo

 

[rocknrolla]

With the influences you listed I'd recommend something out of the Mesa/Boogie camp.

 

[PBGas]

I had an Einstein and a Herbert. The Einstein was very nice but the higher gain channel needed the mid-cut feature. The Herbert was ok but I wasn't as happy with it. The D-Moll seems to be the ticket for many now.

However, if I had have gotten a VH-4, I would probably still have it today. I should have gotten that in the first place!

Now though....more than ever, I am completely happy with what I have.

Good luck with your choice!

 

[suhrimmetal]

I had an Einstein and a Herbert. The Einstein was very nice but the higher gain channel needed the mid-cut feature. The Herbert was ok but I wasn't as happy with it. The D-Moll seems to be the ticket for many now.

However, if I had have gotten a VH-4, I would probably still have it today. I should have gotten that in the first place!

Now though....more than ever, I am completely happy with what I have.

Good luck with your choice!

Thanks bro... that's one thing about the D-Moll I like.. the option for mid cut on all channels. Great for leads. Cheers

 

[suhrimmetal]

Who cuts mids for leads?! (Gasp)

Waited to see who picked up on that ... Tho in a recording setting or individual jam track type jam, that midcut feature can really warm up the lead tone.. make it sound bigger and more layered than it actually is. In a band setting, it disappears unless you dominate the mix volume wise. Either way, its a nice feature to have... whether you use it or not

 

[steve_k]

Who cuts mids for leads?! (Gasp)

Waited to see who picked up on that ... Tho in a recording setting or individual jam track type jam, that midcut feature can really warm up the lead tone.. make it sound bigger and more layered than it actually is. In a band setting, it disappears unless you dominate the mix volume wise. Either way, its a nice feature to have... whether you use it or not

Not sure the exact frequency range it cuts, but I leave mine engaged all the time and run the mids on the EQ about mid way on the amp. It isn't what you think and doesn't dump the complete mid-range spectrum. It's more of a tone-shaping thing rather than completely scooping mids like on a Mesa GEQ.

Know the difference.

 

[borninwinter]

Hey Cory.....you left the one you need off the list - the Herbert. Wait for a good deal on a used one to pop up. If you like AB, Myles uses a Herbie. It is a thick, warm amp and will cover a ton of genres.

Hey Steve.. hope all is well bro. I had a Herbie years back and just found it really tight, compressed and un-organic.. That being said, Ive grown as a player, gear guy, etc since then so maybe I would like it more now I know Myles as well as Andy Wood uses one and they love em and sound great... I just think I need something a bit more open with a slightly more aggressive mid structure. The Herbie was great at single note riffing, chugging, etc.. Just found it blended and somewhat muddy when playing open chords or anything with string separation. once again, this was years back. Cheers

I would say this accurately describes the VH4, Einstein and Herbert. I'd look elsewhere if the voicing wasn't your thing. They are all voiced very similarly.

I have played all Diezels except DMoll it is the same core tone for the 3 mentioned above. If you start with VH4, add a lot more bass, take away some mids + add the mid-cut, and give it a slightly looser feel and gain structure - then you have a Herbert. Start with a VH4 and make it slightly less compressed and a bit rounder/more traditional gain structure and less percussive attack, and lose the MIDI and you have an Einstein. However, IMO the VH4 and the Einstein don't really have the problem of too much muddiness/darkness that the Herbert can.

 

[50MkII]

Having played only the Einstein and based on your tonal preferences stated in your original post, I cannot see the Einstein filling the bill for you. But, you probably already gathered that after playing it and others' opinions in this thread. I like some of that musical genre you described, but did not dig the Einstein's OD/lead channel. That's too much gain for most of what you described I would think. You would be maxing out the gain on the lead channel somewhere around 11-12' I would imagine. I liked the clean channel of that amp but that is not what you are interested in. The tone of that amp had that slightly out of phase thing going on, lacking focus and definition, too modern for me. Also, having only tried the Einstein in the Diezel camp, I was told that all of the Diezel's have that characteristic out of phase tone going on with them. Made me why would one build something like that. Maybe others will disagree with what I was told. That may or may not be of help to you. Good luck to you.

 

[Ippon]

There's a reason why most hang on to their VH4 ... the VH4 is the best Diezel.

 

[RedB4Black]

I 'should' just be patient and hold out for a used D-Moll to come available... It seems like an amp I would really dig!?

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[spirit7]

There's a reason why most hang on to their VH4 ... the VH4 is the best Diezel.

Having owned that and a Herbert, I must respectfully disagree Both astonishing amplifiers but the Herbert just kills it for anything modern. It's literally a matter of tiny, minor preferences though: I'd happily play a VH4 all day long.

Also, what Steve_K said above about the mid-cut. It doesn't instantly transform the amp into a Master of Puppets, scooped tone like a V-shape on a Mesa Mark's GEQ. It just adds more grind and "cleans up" the high and low end a bit.

Really gassing to try a D-Moll now...

-C

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

with a D-Moll on order (basing the sound of crappy YouTube clips) I find myself wondering if I made the right decision amongst the Herbert or Hagen. I'm hoping the D-Moll has a unique grind to it with that punch in the chest oomph

 

[suhrimmetal]

D-Moll en route Hope I dig her. Thanks to you all for the opinions and input. and thanks to Matt

 

[Anonymous]

D-Moll en route Hope I dig her. Thanks to you all for the opinions and input. and thanks to Matt

So you finally pulled the trigger
Hope you like it, give us some feedback

 

[geese_com]

D-Moll en route Hope I dig her. Thanks to you all for the opinions and input. and thanks to Matt

We're going to have to meet up sometime to compare DIezels!