Opinions Requested - What's UP with my Marshalls?!

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OK, so I have had power tubes fail on me in the past, but it has always been an easily diagnosed situation. Turn amp on, play awhile, fuse blows, no more sound -> replace tubes, rebias amp and FIXED.

This afternoon, I ran into issues with two of my Marshalls: my 9200 power amp and then my 2204 head.

In both cases, I was happily playing along and they sounded great. All of a sudden there was an audible 'pop' through the speaker and then a loud "buzzy" kind of hum. It kind of sounded like if you were to pull the guitar cable out of your guitar while playing and then hold the tip of the jack plug with your fingers. You know the sound I mean? Anyways, it was a constant hum and I was unable to get any guitar signal through my amps. I could play with my guitar volume all I wanted but I could hear no guitar - just the constant hum.

I changed out all of the preamp tubes with some spares and the hum continues. I suppose it's possible it still might be a preamp tube (as the spares were older 12AX7's I had replaced in amps previously and held onto as they weren't really toast yet at the time), but the sound is not microphonic and there is no issue when I tap on the preamp tubes with the shaft of a screwdriver. As a result, I am leaning more towards (a) a power tube problem or (b) a cold solder joint somewhere in the amps. That being said, I find it unlikely it's a cold solder joint, as I hadn't used the 2204 in quite awhile (maybe a year or two) and it has been sitting in storage. I do gig occasionally with the 9200 and it had been working fine.

Finally, there is no noticeable 'lightning' in the power tubes either, and no fuses blowing, so WTF?!

Anybody have any ideas before I go out and blow $200 on new power tubes???

Thanks! :rock:
 
rlord1974":3mp8y1a2 said:
Thanks, Gents! :thumbsup:

Any other ideas out there?.... :confused:
Check to make sure your speaker's impedance is the correct value. It seems odd that both amps would have an issue the same afternoon, and a blown speaker might be the cause.
 
I have had power tubes do that when there was no visual sign of trouble. The 9100 I had was reliable as a brick for 12 years, but I guess anything is possible. As far as the 9200 goes, Maybe you could isolate the problem to a specific side that is humming, or is it both sides? if you can narrow it to one side, then swap the power tubes in each side and see if the hum moves with them, it would be an indication that it was a tube issue. If it dosent move with them, you have a different issue within the amp. might save you some coin
just a thought ;)
 
If testing power tubes on a 100w Marshall, you can install them in pairs: just the inner two tubes or just the outer two tubes. This lowers the output to 50w. If you're really picky, this also increases the impedance (i.e., if the head is set to 8 ohms, it's really 16 ohms with just one pair of tubes installed).

The setup will look like this:

o X X o

or

X o o X

not

X X o o

or

o o X X

Good luck!
 
TheMagicEight":pv5umyf1 said:
Check to make sure your speaker's impedance is the correct value. It seems odd that both amps would have an issue the same afternoon, and a blown speaker might be the cause.

No issues there. I'm using the correct impedence and all speakers are fine, as I used some of my other amps through the cab as well.....
 
JTyson":2l3l44ug said:
As far as the 9200 goes, Maybe you could isolate the problem to a specific side that is humming, or is it both sides? if you can narrow it to one side, then swap the power tubes in each side and see if the hum moves with them, it would be an indication that it was a tube issue. If it dosent move with them, you have a different issue within the amp. might save you some coin just a thought ;)

Good thought! It's gonna suck, as I'll have to disassemble half of the rack its in to pull it out, but I'll eventually have to do that anyways.....I'll give it a go some night this week when I have some time. Thx! :thumbsup:
 
slyib":1n758hpt said:
If testing power tubes on a 100w Marshall, you can install them in pairs

Thanks. Unfortunately, the 2204 is a 50 watt head! :bash:
 
Check your electrolyte capacitors. Could be the bias supply caps. Look at the caps for any bulging or leaky yellowish stuff. I wouldn't fire it up and keep messing with it until I checked those caps.
 
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