passing the torch

[rev156]

That was really nice, rockin' but tasteful. What's the church name, I'd like to check out more of the worship vids.
Mark

 

[mentoneman]

That was really nice, rockin' but tasteful. What's the church name, I'd like to check out more of the worship vids.
Mark

http://packinghouseredlands.org/

we have live webcasts every wed night, sat night, 3 sun am services, and sun pm, and they are archived on the media page for one week
wed and sun evenings are a little more rockin, sat/sun more conservative, with a guest visiting musician after the house band.

here is a night of worship we did a little while ago, and at the 1:01:20 mark neil and our sax player steve (who plays with loggins and messina and is in a band with jeff kollman) trade off a fun solo dealio.

http://vimeo.com/43325837

 

[rev156]

very cool, thanks
Mark

 

[mentoneman]

one really cool thing is the caliber of player that comes to the church

doyle dykes loves playing there, marc ford has jammed several times now, and phil keaggy, the late roby duke, glenn pearce, bob bennett, steve marcia, bob soma, and just a ton of outstanding musicians have blown me away over the years.

love the diversity!

 

[rev156]

I watched several of those vids, Neil is great on that 335. So casual, laid back. He makes it seem effortless, not showy, not "you can see how much this hurts by my facial expressions" thing going on. He seems very authentic. And my wife loved the sax playing.
You're blessed to be there!
Mark

 

[mentoneman]

indeed! i love the people i have the honor of playing with;

here's neil's other band at the coach house opening for kenny wayne-he drops a mad blues solo at 3:00

here is our music director's discography-played with no namers like michael jackson, frank sinatra...
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Kim+Hutchcroft#p=1&t=Credits_All

bassist dean cortez (former boz scaggs/current hiroshima bassist)
http://hiroshimamusic.com/pages/dean.html

other bass player, jaymes felix, (plays b3 and sings vocals too, former tower of power lead vocal and grammy winner) singing and playing guitar in his other band

dean and jaymes also collaborated with karizma (mike landau, vinnie colautia, dave garfield, steve lukatther
http://www.stevelukather.net/Session.aspx?id=36

the pianist we just lost to cancer, dave
http://www.redlands.edu/academics/school-of-music/david-griswold.aspx

sax/vocalist steve nieves who is in loggins and messina and jazz bands lao tizer and jango

violinist
(scroll down to dr. todor pelev)
http://www.idyllwildarts.org/arts-q10260-c10244-Faculty.aspx

...i am a very small krill in a musical ocean full of blue whales on stage.....

 

[mentoneman]

here's a guy we have a few times a year that is just such a great musical soul--normally plays piano and sings but has been doing more guitar loop things-his brother phil is better known, but i prefer evan's style

 

[mentoneman]

another great guest sarah macintosh-her voice is amazing

with her old band chasing furies

 

[Joeytpg]

i've been playing guitar at my church since 96 and mixing FOH since 00, and A.V. director since 04, and have seen many changes and styles come and go

always knew one day i would make way for younger guys and the greatest thing is i have been taking part in and encouraging that process, seeking out players and soundmen and video techs who have the right heart and attitude, and can PLAY, and mix and execute live video production.

last night i got to enjoy watching two guitarists i helped find and bring into the worship team. one guy has been there for a while now and i have seen him grow in so many ways, and he is a KILLER player with an early 70s marshall PA amp and 335, and the other guy got to play for the first time last night, after trying to make it happen for months, and he was awesome plugged straight into his marshall haze 15 mini stack with a paul..not even a tuner!

then as i stood in the back of the church i watched one soundman i helped develop into a very competent FOH mixer teaching a new tech the ropes, and things were sounding great.

finally i jumped upstairs to help a new guy set levels for the CD recorder, and watched the 3-person media team i developed execute the live video switch for the web and closed circuit TVs and IMAG screens in the sanctuary, lighting cues, powerpoint presentations, web streaming, etc...

i cut out quietly and was just really at peace and happy

Good for you for spreading your knowledge to the younger generation and most of all to feel proud of that and not jealous.

On a side note it's funny how much stuff churches have theses days (video equipment, recording equipment, consoles, expensive PA systems, etc) and there are so many people starving to death.

One of the reasons I just cannot get into churches and the whole religion mentality.

 

[mentoneman]

Good for you for spreading your knowledge to the younger generation and most of all to feel proud of that and not jealous.

On a side note it's funny how much stuff churches have theses days (video equipment, recording equipment, consoles, expensive PA systems, etc) and there are so many people starving to death.

One of the reasons I just cannot get into churches and the whole religion mentality.

another great new talent that played at our church

the argument regarding church spending money on modern production equipment, or skateboard ramps, playground equipment, air conditioning, chairs, drinking fountains.....

you can focus on that as an excuse not to go to church, but that would still just be an excuse, based on an assumption, which avoids the main reason anyone should attending in the first place.

and the stuff you disagree with,

like the FOH soundcraft 48 channel series 5 console, and steinway 9 foot concert grand, which by the way, were both donated by grateful members of the congregation who had their lives turned around by answering God's call, which they heard during a church service,

becomes secondary,

and hopefully this may help you with your justification process.

brian from korn played a few times at our church, and his message here is familiar, minus the grammys and fortune/fame bit...

 

[Joeytpg]

Well, honestly, this is a rocky subject because people get defensive about it (not saying you are now, just stating that it can happen when this topic is discussed).

I respect the people that go to church, I think some people need that guidance and specially need to follow a herd of some sort (not talking about believing in the higher power here, just church as an institution).

Those donations, imo are just more of the same "business like" mentality churches have. Why accept the expensive equipment? why not just donate it to starving people? I don't get it and will never get it. I RESPECT the people that feel blessed that god's work helped them and turned their life around, and it's they money. But why do churches accept it so blatantly with a grin instead of doing the correct things?

This to me sums it up real good. churches are filled with golden shit and ostentatiousness when half the world is dying of hunger and illness.

Now, I know this image is CATHOLIC church, not all religions are that ostentatious but, in general they're all one in the same.

Still, I respect you and your beliefs. You did a great thing for your peers and that means good.

 

[mentoneman]

Well, honestly, this is a rocky subject because people get defensive about it (not saying you are now, just stating that it can happen when this topic is discussed).

I respect the people that go to church, I think some people need that guidance and specially need to follow a herd of some sort (not talking about believing in the higher power here, just church as an institution).

Those donations, imo are just more of the same "business like" mentality churches have. Why accept the expensive equipment? why not just donate it to starving people? I don't get it and will never get it. I RESPECT the people that feel blessed that god's work helped them and turned their life around, and it's they money. But why do churches accept it so blatantly with a grin instead of doing the correct things?

This to me sums it up real good. churches are filled with golden shit and ostentatiousness when half the world is dying of hunger and illness.

Now, I know this image is CATHOLIC church, not all religions are that ostentatious but, in general they're all one in the same.

Still, I respect you and your beliefs. You did a great thing for your peers and that means good.

i'm not ruffled at all by your observation or feeling defensive because i've heard it several times over the years, and i totally agree that there are times when churches totally take advantage of people or misuse funds. i also think that if you or anyone else walked into our church on any given sunday and sat through one service, things would make way more sense.

here's our men's conference with marc ford on lead gtr

i was really amazed by marc's playing on this song, and admittedly i was super stoked he was using the wah i gave him a few years ago. he made that thing sing and it sounded SO good!
i honestly believe that something special happens when a musician stops playing to seek attention or praise for themselves.

 

[Badronald]

Common misconception. I attend and have played at a large church for close to 20 years. Without an intimate understanding of the finances of a church, one has no idea how funds are appropriated. You can only assume.

I know that my church barely scrapes by every month and are continuously strained for enough funds to pay the bills. When one passes by the campus on the street it would be easy to assume that, "wow, look at that place, they must be rich", it couldn't be further from the truth.

The outpouring of cash on a yearly basis to the local community and community projects as well as international missions is staggering. Building schools and digging wells around the world. Bringing clean water to communities that have none where disease is rampant. Taking boatloads of medicine to impoverished countries around the world all the while being under constant threat by tyrannical governments and warlords etc...

The good my church does around the world cannot be quantified. It's change that will last generations.

 

[mentoneman]

Common misconception. I attend and have played at a large church for close to 20 years. Without an intimate understanding of the finances of a church, one has no idea how funds are appropriated. You can only assume.

I know that my church barely scrapes by every month and are continuously strained for enough funds to pay the bills. When one passes by the campus on the street it would be easy to assume that, "wow, look at that place, they must be rich", it couldn't be further from the truth.

The outpouring of cash on a yearly basis to the local community and community projects as well as international missions is staggering. Building schools and digging wells around the world. Bringing clean water to communities that have none where disease is rampant. Taking boatloads of medicine to impoverished countries around the world all the while being under constant threat by tyrannical governments and warlords etc...

The good my church does around the world cannot be quantified. It's change that will last generations.

+1
http://www.packinghouseredlands.org...house_Missions/Packinghouse_Missionaries.html

some european churches started by a pastor on our staff going on a mission trip
http://www.golgota.hu/

my friends the duck commanders attend this great church in monroe louisiana; phil is an elder and his oldest son alan is senior pastor
http://www.wfrchurch.org/

a few of my buddies are pastors at this church and really cool folks, for you irvine/aliso viejo/laguna OC cats
http://www.kingsfieldchurch.org/whoweare/meetthestaff/

my friend frank is senior pastor in colton
http://ccfcolton.blogspot.com/

my dentist is senior pastor in calimesa
http://www.sanctuarychurch.com/

on oahu you can watch my son play drums on the worship team here:
http://www.kaimukichristian.org/about.htm

another great church in town
http://www.enewhope.org/aboutus/services/

 

[guitarmike]

Mentoneman,

I am so impressed with your church! Our church follows the same basic beliefs. Ia invite any skeptics in the Milwaukee are to check us out, it will change you thoughts on what a church is.

Joeytpg, I hope someday you get to spend time with Christians that have their head on reasonably straight, your beliefs will start to change about God and church.

 

[Joeytpg]

well, then it's not really the church (as an institution) but the individuals that are going to them that are helping and doing good. It's great to see that.

Of course not every church is a money sucking machine, just like not every priest/pastor is a child molester, but in general, the institution of church has done more evil than good in the history of mankind. A LOT more evil than good.

It's all in the history books even though they have worked VERY hard to edit history.

 

[Joeytpg]

Mentoneman,

I am so impressed with your church! Our church follows the same basic beliefs. Ia invite any skeptics in the Milwaukee are to check us out, it will change you thoughts on what a church is.

Joeytpg, I hope someday you get to spend time with Christians that have their head on reasonably straight, your beliefs will start to change about God and church.

I was raised in a christian family, my grandfather was almost a pastor, and my whole family is big on believing in god. My beliefs in god are intact, I know and respect the divine power and accept it, but I'm talking about church here, once again, as an institution

some churches in particular may be awesome, and I'm sure there are some GREAT ones out there, like mentoneman's but as a whole.........

 

[guitarmike]

Mentoneman,

I am so impressed with your church! Our church follows the same basic beliefs. Ia invite any skeptics in the Milwaukee are to check us out, it will change you thoughts on what a church is.

Joeytpg, I hope someday you get to spend time with Christians that have their head on reasonably straight, your beliefs will start to change about God and church.

I was raised in a christian family, my grandfather was almost a pastor, and my whole family is big on believing in god. My beliefs in god are intact, I know and respect the divine power and accept it, but I'm talking about church here, once again, as an institution

some churches in particular may be awesome, and I'm sure there are some GREAT ones out there, like mentoneman's but as a whole.........

Joeytpg,

I sincerely respect you and your beliefs. Institutionalized ANYTHING leads to no good.

Thankfully there are good churches where the real reason we gather is observed.

 

[lespaul3013]

Well, honestly, this is a rocky subject because people get defensive about it (not saying you are now, just stating that it can happen when this topic is discussed).

I respect the people that go to church, I think some people need that guidance and specially need to follow a herd of some sort (not talking about believing in the higher power here, just church as an institution).

Those donations, imo are just more of the same "business like" mentality churches have. Why accept the expensive equipment? why not just donate it to starving people? I don't get it and will never get it. I RESPECT the people that feel blessed that god's work helped them and turned their life around, and it's they money. But why do churches accept it so blatantly with a grin instead of doing the correct things?

This to me sums it up real good. churches are filled with golden shit and ostentatiousness when half the world is dying of hunger and illness.

Now, I know this image is CATHOLIC church, not all religions are that ostentatious but, in general they're all one in the same.

Still, I respect you and your beliefs. You did a great thing for your peers and that means good.

Joey, I highly doubt giving a starving person a Steinway or a Soundcraft console will do them any good just sayin'...

I go to a church very similar to mentoneman's...it started in a small building 10 years ago with 100 people, fastforward to now - we have a large campus (with another being built), and 3500 regular members. Much of that was made possible by donations/tithes...I say we use what God has given to us. We are a "seeker-friendly" church...so basically, we wanna make people feel welcome/comfortable/at-home in the church...and that takes money (along with great volunteers). I think giving thousands of people a great atmosphere to come worship God and "recharge" for the week ahead is a pretty awesome thing...again...this is all my opinion

The church isn't a building, its the PEOPLE who make up the church...and its those same people who will make a difference in the world - which doesn't necessarily mean that will come through the actual church building. We're called to be servants and help others all the time, not just in church.

No offense intended - I respect your beliefs.