Peters Amplification is winding pickups now

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skoora":2ejolnm3 said:
Makes a lot of sense an amp maker would also make pickups. I applaud this move.

Thanks! I'd been through so many pickups, doing direct comparisons over and over in the same guitar, then swapping the same pickup into multiple guitars for comparison, then started frankensteining them...it was only a matter of time before I started making my own pickups.
 
Rezamatix":1r923e9n said:
Alnico 8 is the ONLY way to fly in my world.

It really depends on the design of the pickup. I used to like A8 to a certain extent (when swapping it into other pickups in place of ceramic or A5) but it sounded like the low end was a bit too punchy/round, not quite snappy enough. That's not my experience anymore; now it reminds me of ceramic 8 but with more filled-out/fatter sound in general (in the context of my pickups). I don't see as much of a drawback using A8 anymore as a result.

A couple local players got me to wind pickups using A8, and then later got the magnets changed to C8 since they didn't want that amount of fullness/fatness. That's the only "drawback" anymore, deciding how much fullness/fatness a person wants in the pickup (if the guitar doesn't sound rich/fat enough, what amp do they use, etc.) Plus I have to balance that with what wire to use, what winding pattern to use, and what polepieces to use. A8 does its thing in its own way, but fatness/fullness can be achieved in other ways too. I wish I could keep track of this stuff more objectively; so far I have a bunch of notes about each element and how they interact, and I understand them all...but no one else reading it would understand. :)
 
JamesPeters":2lf45rq1 said:
Thanks! I'd been through so many pickups, doing direct comparisons over and over in the same guitar, then swapping the same pickup into multiple guitars for comparison, then started frankensteining them...it was only a matter of time before I started making my own pickups.

I'd love to hear clips of your pickups vs. the JB/Distortion in the same guitar. I'm sure some users will eventually do this.
 
thegame":2hmafwaq said:
I'd love to hear clips of your pickups vs. the JB/Distortion in the same guitar. I'm sure some users will eventually do this.

I can do that. Although, people will have to have filter through the fact it's possible I will play somewhat inconsistently from one pickup to the next (since it's not the sort of thing that can be "re-amped").

I have a JB here, and also some taller ceramic magnets like the Distortion uses. (The JB is apparently the same as the Distortion except the magnets/spacers, which I can swap.)
 
I'm still really interested in trying out one of your pickups, James. Is there any new information you can update us with??
 
I still have the one James sent me. I've been super busy with work/life lately and haven't had a chance to swap it into one of my guitars. But I will in due time.
 
I swapped the pair I got into several different Charvels (I've abandoned the magnet swaps so far). They are currently residing in a USA pro mod. I like both pickups a lot, but the neck pickup is really great... I asked James to make it hot and not have the typical "quack" neck pickups are known for...and retain the feel and not be overly compressed. I'm really considering putting it back into one of my favorite Charvels.
 
Oblivion DC":2t8khmvq said:
I'm still really interested in trying out one of your pickups, James. Is there any new information you can update us with??

Sure, I can give you some info.

By the way, if you want to chat with me about stuff (you or anyone else), feel free to email or call. I'll respond here but it could be a while, depending on how busy I am and if I notice a post of someone asking me questions.

The idea I originally had for my pickup line was to have a lot of things variable about them, to more closely match what people want in a pickup for a given guitar. Slowly I began to realize a few things: 1) that would probably drive people crazy trying to choose a pickup, 2) a lot of the variables in the design only affect things subtly, and 3) there are enough things in common that people want in a pickup, that not much has to be variable as long as key points are addressed in the design.

So now I have a few bridge humbucking pickup designs that are really "dialed in" and well suited to lots of guitars. Part of that involves winding the north bobbin (closer to the neck) differently and/or with different wire so it makes a bit more focused sounding for that position (since the sound is naturally fatter there), while allowing the south bobbin (closer to the bridge) to be more open/dynamic (since the sound is naturally thinner there). The pickups can sound tight in a wide variety of guitars as a result. Part of that is also due to how they're wound, and the materials used. But the "icing on the cake" was figuring out how I could make the designs more suited to brighter or darker guitars without sacrificing much if at all. Previously the designs were a bit "leaned" toward a brighter guitar or a darker guitar, but now I shouldn't have to do that. I can still make custom builds if a guitar is particularly bright/dark/dead sounding (etc.) but now it's less complicated. Mostly the options for customization will involve what magnet is used, and if I need to consider changing any pole pieces to allow for "problem ranges" on a particular guitar (if the customer mentions the high 2 strings are really plinky sounding, for instance).

Here's what I have for designs at the moment. Each are available with A5 or C8 magnets (so it's like 2 different designs for each "design" listed below):

Design 1: A high output bridge pickup measuring around 17K ohms resistance, full sounding with lots of harmonics, excellent articulation and tight attack. It's not overpowering but it's definitely hot. It's a very dynamic high output pickup. (It's like my high gain amp designs in that it walks the fine line between vintage and modern for some aspects of its sound, while definitely being high gain/high output.) Depending on the magnet used in the pickup it can cover a somewhat different range. A5 is still solid with tight attack, but is a bit more raw and has more warmth and growl. C8 makes the pickup more "in your face" without being outright brash, and it still has nice "classic" aspects and growl. Loose comparisons (I hate doing this) would involve "Duncan JB crossed with Dimarzio Super Distortion, less mid honk, tighter and with PAF-like qualities sprinkled in and better growl" (for the A5 version); "Duncan Distortion but less extreme/more open and with more vintage vibe when you want it, and with more growl" (for the C8 version).

Design 2: Medium to high output bridge pickup measuring around 14K ohms resistance. It has similarities with design 1 above but it's more open, less full/rich sounding. I guess you could say this is for folks who use tons of gain but want the sound to be really clear from string to string, and don't want a more full sound. Loose comparison (did I mention I hate doing this?) would be "Duncan Custom but a bit more woody with more warmth, and with PAF-like qualities sprinkled in" for the A5 version; and it's a bit more aggressive/tight with the C8 version.

Design 3: Medium to high output neck pickup well suited to match with either of the two above bridge pickup designs. It's wound differently from the bridge pickups and with different wire, so it measures around 12K ohms resistance. It's relatively full sounding but has nice chime so the neck position doesn't sound very dark. I used to struggle with neck pickup choices since lots of them sound "too fat", or if you go with a thinner sounding pickup for the neck it doesn't balance well with a high output bridge pickup. This solves that problem and sounds great doing it. The magnet I'd recommend for this pickup would probably be to match whatever magnet is in the bridge pickup (if someone buys one of my pickups for the bridge, that is) or by default A5 since the neck position naturally has more fundamental to the tone (so it doesn't need C8 for that "in your face" aspect unless you really want it).

Also: I can make a "calibrated version" of the neck pickup based on the bridge pickup. That is, a neck pickup made like the bridge pickup you choose but underwound (by comparison to the bridge pickup) to compensate for the difference in output/fundamental at the neck position. Some people prefer a "calibrated set" since the pickups will sound more similar. I don't mind doing this at all!

Remember that resistance readings don't tell you much about a pickup, including the output. A pickup with taller magnets than standard can sound significantly more powerful, and be wound exactly the same as one with shorter magnets. And that's just one factor. The type of wind you do is important (and I'm able to change up my winding pattern/tension quite easily since I'm doing this all myself). Then there's the thickness of the wire to consider. A "10K ohm pickup" could be wound with 42 gauge or 43 gauge wire for instance, and they'll have very different sound and output; 10K ohms of 42 gauge wire (such as used in most PAF type pickups) can be quite powerful compared to 10K ohms of 43 gauge wire (thinner); also it's possible to wind each bobbin differently and use mixes of wire for a pickup. I won't get into the different types of pickup wire insulation (partially because there are notable differences in the sound, but also because they can be more subtle in the sound differences than some people assume.) Then there are the pole pieces to consider, and they can affect the sound significantly. Magnets of different types--if all else is equal from pickup to pickup (and it usually isn't)--can have predictable differences in the sound, but it's hard to make direct comparisons unless you've swapped magnets in a pickup to hear the differences in the same design; even so, I've found A8 sounds different in my designs so far (not just the ones above, but all the ones which didn't make the cut) than in any other pickups I've swapped them into over the years! There are more variables...I could go on, but it gets boring and confusing since a lot of this is important in the proper context and that's hard to explain to someone who hasn't swapped one variable at a time to hear the differences each can make.
 
These sound like they will be really awesome.

It is cool to see you branching out like this. I have never owned a Peter's amp but from what I have heard they sound amazing. I would assume the pickups do as well.

I hope they sell well for you so you can continue to grow. Really good idea IMO to do pickups considering most gear companies that became very successful started branching out like this as well.
 
maddnotez":hhx9snoq said:
These sound like they will be really awesome.

It is cool to see you branching out like this. I have never owned a Peter's amp but from what I have heard they sound amazing. I would assume the pickups do as well.

I hope they sell well for you so you can continue to grow. Really good idea IMO to do pickups considering most gear companies that became very successful started branching out like this as well.

Thanks!

It was a natural move for me since I've been knee-deep (or deeper) in the pickup realm ever since I started playing guitar. For years I teetered on the fence, hacking pickups together from spare parts (or just pickups I didn't use anymore), swapping components and hoping to learn from that. The only way forward was to start from scratch and compare every aspect properly.

As for how much it'll help my business, I guess we'll see. Since it helped me in a personal goal, it's already been worthwhile. I sometimes forget I started doing all this as a hobby, and for personal goals. This was a nice reminder, after 15 years. :)
 
Nice... always wanna hear what sort of pickup suits the jackson sl2h.... the usual maple neck thru, alder wings and ebony fretboard....
 
hopkinWFG":hxb4htrn said:
Nice... always wanna hear what sort of pickup suits the jackson sl2h.... the usual maple neck thru, alder wings and ebony fretboard....

If I made a presumption based on the wood types alone, there's a good chance I'd be mistaken. Wood is inconsistent enough, and unless it's treated specifically (moisture-wise) to be more consistent before manufacturing the guitar, that makes things even less consistent. You can play a Strat made of mahogany that sounds bright and every bit as "Strat-like" as you'd imagine, for instance. It's hard to say with any certainty what a guitar is going to sound like until you play it.

My experience with Jackson guitars (including that model) however narrows it down. I've heard a fair degree of consistency in the Jacksons I've used.

I can't say with absolute certainty, but my pickups should work well with that guitar.
 
Drkorey":befcosh4 said:
what's the general price range for design 1?

All humbuckers made with black bobbins will probably cost the same, $120 USD.

Shipping within Canada or to USA is about $10 USD (if I use Canada Post "small packet air" service, which has no tracking during transit but has been reliable for me for shipping small items).
 
Regarding the neck design. It would match the 14-16k range. Do you think this would be a standard to compare with all pickups or just with the Peters because of the different winding?

For example if someone had a Painkiller on the bridge at 15.6k would that be a safe bet for a Peter's neck pup to somewhat match?
 
maddnotez":3f5vdkau said:
Regarding the neck design. It would match the 14-16k range. Do you think this would be a standard to compare with all pickups or just with the Peters because of the different winding?

For example if someone had a Painkiller on the bridge at 15.6k would that be a safe bet for a Peter's neck pup to somewhat match?

The Painkiller isn't an average pickup that measures around 15.6K ohms; it's very strong for its output. Then there's the sort of sound the pickups make, and whether someone thinks a particular neck pickup matches in terms of sound with the bridge pickup. I wouldn't use the pickup wire's overall series resistance as a guideline for judging its output or if a particular neck pickup would be a good match for sound. If I know the pickup from experience I've had with it, that helps a lot.

I do know the Painkiller bridge pickup well enough. Do you want something that matches better in terms of output and sound specifically, or are you looking for a pickup that is ballpark for a good match (different is ok, but not too different) when switching between neck and bridge pickups with the selector. In the former case I'd consider using larger ceramic magnets and spacers for the design, and in the latter case it's probably good as is.

Some people don't even care about matching much between bridge and neck pickups. The JB bridge / 59 neck set is common enough, and they're very different; I'd say they're not a good match, personally, but others would disagree since that combination works well for other reasons (a thinner sounding neck pickup can work well in that position, for instance). That's why I need to clarify what you want for a match.
 
JamesPeters":1s9mxfdz said:
maddnotez":1s9mxfdz said:
Regarding the neck design. It would match the 14-16k range. Do you think this would be a standard to compare with all pickups or just with the Peters because of the different winding?

For example if someone had a Painkiller on the bridge at 15.6k would that be a safe bet for a Peter's neck pup to somewhat match?

The Painkiller isn't an average pickup that measures around 15.6K ohms; it's very strong for its output. Then there's the sort of sound the pickups make, and whether someone thinks a particular neck pickup matches in terms of sound with the bridge pickup. I wouldn't use the pickup wire's overall series resistance as a guideline for judging its output or if a particular neck pickup would be a good match for sound. If I know the pickup from experience I've had with it, that helps a lot.

I do know the Painkiller bridge pickup well enough. Do you want something that matches better in terms of output and sound specifically, or are you looking for a pickup that is ballpark for a good match (different is ok, but not too different) when switching between neck and bridge pickups with the selector. In the former case I'd consider using larger ceramic magnets and spacers for the design, and in the latter case it's probably good as is.

Some people don't even care about matching much between bridge and neck pickups. The JB bridge / 59 neck set is common enough, and they're very different; I'd say they're not a good match, personally, but others would disagree since that combination works well for other reasons (a thinner sounding neck pickup can work well in that position, for instance). That's why I need to clarify what you want for a match.

Awesome reply and makes me think about it a bit more. I'm not to keen on pickup knowledge but I meant more output/volume wise. I wouldn't know what sounded good with a bridge pickup until I played it I guess.
 
maddnotez":3ecudbq2 said:
Awesome reply and makes me think about it a bit more. I'm not to keen on pickup knowledge but I meant more output/volume wise. I wouldn't know what sounded good with a bridge pickup until I played it I guess.

I forgot to mention: some "neck versions" of bridge pickups are either 1) wound the same as the bridge version but with a smaller spacing between polepieces, or 2) somewhat underwound versions of the bridge pickups (usually with smaller spacing between polepieces) because the guitar's neck pickup position will naturally sound stronger/fatter by comparison to the bridge pickup position. For as close a match as possible between neck and bridge pickups, one of these two ways would work (depending on a person's preference). Then there are some who just "want what they want" for sound for each position. I've never gelled with the idea of the EMG 81 in the bridge and 85 in the neck, for another example. I get that some people love how the 85's fatness makes the neck position sound really fat...but compared to the 81 in the bridge, that's a pretty drastic difference to me. I've found a good match with 81 in both neck and bridge positions, or 81 bridge / 60 neck.

Anyway if you want to buy a neck pickup which matches in terms of output or sound to another pickup (that I don't make), I can probably figure out what you'd want as long as you know your preference. :)
 
Far too excited for these. Might start being my new pickup of choice!
 
Hi Peters,

Will you be in anytime or having plans for 8 string set? I need a raw pickup ala motorcity afwayu but with less bass ....
 
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