Variable
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...will try to post some first impressions later tonight. Still working out how I'm going to do the routing for my live setup...
ejecta
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This guy posted a full recording using it. My God this guys can freaking play!!!! I'd buy one of his CD's fo sho.
These tones for this application were really really nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z__yOcQOPXU
These tones for this application were really really nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z__yOcQOPXU
jmgman69
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WOW that was really somethingejecta":2rzpo55a said:
Ola Englund
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Picking up mine tonight! Clips will be done...
SirBoye
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ejecta":2oyd9igy said:
WOW 
Norton666
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That was intense!
Variable
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So far so good... Looking forward to making some good patches tonight. My biggest challenge last night was getting 4CM to work. Now my challenge is normalizing the volume between the model-only patches directly to my poweramp with the FX only patches that use the amp's preamp.
On the bright side, my Guytron GT100 power section was designed as a completely clean volume stage since the preamp is a slaved 18watt power section. This makes it a fantastic choice for model amplification since I can run the poweramp sims without worrying about additional EL34 distortion.
Might try some clips this weekend, though I doubt they'll be as amazing as the stuff we've already heard...
On the bright side, my Guytron GT100 power section was designed as a completely clean volume stage since the preamp is a slaved 18watt power section. This makes it a fantastic choice for model amplification since I can run the poweramp sims without worrying about additional EL34 distortion.
Might try some clips this weekend, though I doubt they'll be as amazing as the stuff we've already heard...
SFW
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ejecta":20bz2oga said:
Yeah, that did sound really good. And he has a disc on iTunes.
Variable
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ejecta":1l7lwnav said:
Chris Beaver is one hell of a crazy player, and so far has been whipping out clips that make Line 6's demo clips sound like ass. They really ought to hire him to do a proper HD demo instead of doing those in house...
Spaceboy
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That is one mean motherfucking song! it could use some flashier solos in there and it'd be perfect, but the songwriting itself is soooo good. That mix sounds great, but the guitar tones don't sound all that impressive when I concentrate on them individually, as usual for Line 6 products, IMO.ejecta":1h3zrpkd said:
mctallica1
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Where did you find this? I don't see them for sale yet....maybe I am just missing something.
On a side note.....anyone tried the DT50 head yet? Concept sounds cool.
On a side note.....anyone tried the DT50 head yet? Concept sounds cool.
Spaceboy
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I think they've only been available for maybe a week, at most.mctallica1":2vfsgzn1 said:
cyndicate
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Dehumanize":2yk13110 said:
Line 6 website says its available Today (Oct 8) in stores and online, I haven't seen them yet
Chubtone
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ejecta":2ten5lei said:
That is a killer clip with amazing production. IMO though it is way too dense to really hear how the modeler sounds. The whole thing just sounds massive so I'm not talking about it negatively. What I want to hear is something way more stark and "real" sounding. A guitar or two, some drums, some bass, some leads on top. I want to hear the Line 6 sounds like a real amp while recorded direct and I want to be able to tell what i'm listening to.
I am not knocking this tune or this guy in any way because the clip is awesome. I just want to hear the Line 6 up close and personal and not in the context of what sounds like an army of musicians.
muudrock
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Chubtone":veskj653 said:
I agree. But, How it sounds in the mix is equally important to me.
Variable
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Well, I just spent the past two hours tweaking some live patches now that I seem to have a grasp of how to best get the levels unified. The comments below are pretty random since I'm just listing things as they come to mind.
First off, let me assure everyone that the clips you're hearing of the in-between sounds are in fact that good. Before anyone asks how it compares to the Axe-FX, keep in mind that I've never played an AFX, so I'm not qualified to compare. But running through the poweramp of my Guytron into a ported 2x12, I'm getting some amazing, dynamic rock-n-roll tones (especially with the Dr Z model). That's saying a lot considering the Guytron GT100 excels at those kind of tones. Please don't ask about FRFR, as I have no plans to go down that road...
Though I have yet to hear a good clip online, you can get some FANTASTIC djenty tones when combining the Uberschall model with your amp's preamp if you are running 4CM. On its own I haven't been able to dial in a great, full djenty tone, but combined with the gain channel on the Guytron I've managed to build a patch that has that nice, sharp high-end glass to it without sounding overly fizzy (thanks to some strategic high-pass filtering). I wish I was good at live recording so I could pass this on, but sadly my micing skills leave a lot to be desired.
Like all tweakable devices, there is a learning curve to get going toward those tones in your head. However, after a few hours I feel pretty comfortable using the 500's built in interface to build patches. The Line6 Edit software is also very good, though I have to admit that it seems just as easy to me to build patches directly on the 500. My biggest challenge was getting the routing properly set up so that it wasn't an issue matching dB levels with the built-in mixer.
Running direct into the Guytron's poweramp, some of the models do have a fizzy high-end, though it's more of a natural "tube-like" fizz; reminds me of 18watt EL84 fizz, actually. It's nothing horribly annoying, and I only seem to notice it when notes trail off (in fact, it's possible the tube buffer on my FX loop needs a new tube). You can dial it out with the EQ blocks, for the most part.
The expression pedal feels good, though I wish the toe-switch had more feedback when engaging. It takes a decent amount of pressure to activate, and doesn't really give you a good snap like a standard wah footswitch. The pedal assignment for the wah and volume isn't exactly intuitive, either, as there are some specific steps you have to follow in order to get your wah/volume to actually engage properly.
Wah FX are all very good, though more hi-fi sounding than the actual wahs on which they're based.
Firmware updates are no issue either. I was very surprised to find Line6 already has a 1.10 firmware update when I first plugged the 500 into my computer (and I got my POD a day before they were supposed to release in the states!). Hopefully this is a sign that Line6 is committed to software improvement, though I don't expect them to be at the level you get with a Fractal product.
The delays take a fair bit of tweaking to get them where they sound good and don't drop your volume level. I'm still working on this. For anyone who is coming from an Eventide Timefactor or similar dual delay, you will probably want to put the delays in stereo paths so that one delay isn't triggering the one after it (unless that's the sound you're going for).
I ran into one bug when naming a set-list where one of the character fields got stuck on an asterisk. I was able to get it unstuck by doing some frantic twisting of the parameter knob.
Hopefully more later... I need to go eat something to fuel the tweaking
I will say this though, I'm feeling much more inspired to write new music now than I have in the past six months...
First off, let me assure everyone that the clips you're hearing of the in-between sounds are in fact that good. Before anyone asks how it compares to the Axe-FX, keep in mind that I've never played an AFX, so I'm not qualified to compare. But running through the poweramp of my Guytron into a ported 2x12, I'm getting some amazing, dynamic rock-n-roll tones (especially with the Dr Z model). That's saying a lot considering the Guytron GT100 excels at those kind of tones. Please don't ask about FRFR, as I have no plans to go down that road...
Though I have yet to hear a good clip online, you can get some FANTASTIC djenty tones when combining the Uberschall model with your amp's preamp if you are running 4CM. On its own I haven't been able to dial in a great, full djenty tone, but combined with the gain channel on the Guytron I've managed to build a patch that has that nice, sharp high-end glass to it without sounding overly fizzy (thanks to some strategic high-pass filtering). I wish I was good at live recording so I could pass this on, but sadly my micing skills leave a lot to be desired.
Like all tweakable devices, there is a learning curve to get going toward those tones in your head. However, after a few hours I feel pretty comfortable using the 500's built in interface to build patches. The Line6 Edit software is also very good, though I have to admit that it seems just as easy to me to build patches directly on the 500. My biggest challenge was getting the routing properly set up so that it wasn't an issue matching dB levels with the built-in mixer.
Running direct into the Guytron's poweramp, some of the models do have a fizzy high-end, though it's more of a natural "tube-like" fizz; reminds me of 18watt EL84 fizz, actually. It's nothing horribly annoying, and I only seem to notice it when notes trail off (in fact, it's possible the tube buffer on my FX loop needs a new tube). You can dial it out with the EQ blocks, for the most part.
The expression pedal feels good, though I wish the toe-switch had more feedback when engaging. It takes a decent amount of pressure to activate, and doesn't really give you a good snap like a standard wah footswitch. The pedal assignment for the wah and volume isn't exactly intuitive, either, as there are some specific steps you have to follow in order to get your wah/volume to actually engage properly.
Wah FX are all very good, though more hi-fi sounding than the actual wahs on which they're based.
Firmware updates are no issue either. I was very surprised to find Line6 already has a 1.10 firmware update when I first plugged the 500 into my computer (and I got my POD a day before they were supposed to release in the states!). Hopefully this is a sign that Line6 is committed to software improvement, though I don't expect them to be at the level you get with a Fractal product.
The delays take a fair bit of tweaking to get them where they sound good and don't drop your volume level. I'm still working on this. For anyone who is coming from an Eventide Timefactor or similar dual delay, you will probably want to put the delays in stereo paths so that one delay isn't triggering the one after it (unless that's the sound you're going for).
I ran into one bug when naming a set-list where one of the character fields got stuck on an asterisk. I was able to get it unstuck by doing some frantic twisting of the parameter knob.
Hopefully more later... I need to go eat something to fuel the tweaking
I will say this though, I'm feeling much more inspired to write new music now than I have in the past six months...
Variable
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Did some messing around with it direct last night. Biggest thing I noticed is that dual-amp patches tend to suck DSP and make it hard to put both a delay and a reverb in the patch (lower DSP intensive delays and reverbs can be combined, but forget about it if you want to use some of the more crazy models).
Hopefully will have more today...
Hopefully will have more today...
crankyrayhanky
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in the clip:
fatntastic player
good lead tones
weak rhythm crunch
fatntastic player
good lead tones
weak rhythm crunch