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Who has this and how is it? I'm in the market for something cheap to record with and don't have a lot of money at the moment. I've hear some really good clips but I'm always leary of clips. Anyways what's the verdict on this? Thanks!
 
slyym":2ktp9cfi said:
Who has this and how is it? I'm in the market for something cheap to record with and don't have a lot of money at the moment. I've hear some really good clips but I'm always leary of clips. Anyways what's the verdict on this? Thanks!
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For a minute, I thought you were talking about the amp. There are a ton of reviews on youtube. I have both Bias FX Pro and Bias Amp Pro. It literally was not necessary for me to pay for Bias Amp Pro... I could have saved $100 because there are so many amp matches on the tone cloud or whatever it's called that you would never need to match your own amp unless it was really something boutique and super rare. However, I am glad I bought Bias FX Pro. It's on sale right now for $159 (for desktop) and I think $9.99 for the iPad, I believe.

Here is an example. The third amp is the BIAS (1:00 APPROX)



For the price, you just can't go wrong.

Here is a much longer demo

 
I love it on my phone for quick bass rig for jams. For guitar its fun.but i wouldn't use it live. Don't record with it.
 
I use Bias Desktop Pro a bit. My main VST is the free LePou Lecro plugin (Rectifier). LePou's free plugins are excellent. He's got the recto, a Marshall, Bogner, a couple more. Completely free.
http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/

Bias is pretty cool. The best tones are found on the "ToneCloud", downloading other people's Amp Match profiles. The default stuff is usable, but meh.

Make sure to try using your own IRs. I find the speaker IRs in Bias to be quite lacking. I couldn't find a high gain sound I liked in Bias until I bypassed the built in speaker sim and used my own IRs with mixIR2.
 
moltenmetalburn":10e4syc9 said:
I love it on my phone for quick bass rig for jams. For guitar its <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">fun.but</span> i wouldn't use it live. Don't record with it.
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Well that sucks. I was planning on buying it today but now I'm gonna rethink it.

CaseyCor":10e4syc9 said:
I use Bias Desktop Pro a bit. My main VST is the free LePou Lecro plugin (Rectifier). LePou's free plugins are excellent. He's got the recto, a Marshall, Bogner, a couple more. Completely free. http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/Bias is pretty cool. The best tones are found on the "ToneCloud", downloading other people's Amp Match profiles. The default stuff is usable, but meh. Make sure to try using your own IRs. I find the speaker IRs in Bias to be quite lacking. I couldn't find a high gain sound I liked in Bias until I bypassed the built in speaker sim and used my own IRs with mixIR2.
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Thanks for the link. I will check these out later after work. Hopefully they will be what I'm looking for.
 
I don't know why moltenmetalburn told you not to record with it... You said you are looking for a cheap solution. Bias is a great cheap solution.

You can actually come up with some great tones for your recording. Of course, there will always be those purists who will poopoo anything other than a mic/cab.

LOTS of people record with Bias.

CaseyCor is correct, there are free solution as well. I don't think they are quite as good as Bias but still something you can use to record at home.

You can find free Irs all over but if you don't want to spend time on that, buy the Ownhammer Heavy Hitters pack and be done.

http://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.ph ... cts_id=382

I expect you aren't trying to produce a world wide distribution for your touring act. Context is everything.
 
mudf00t":1yo3rp62 said:
I don't know why moltenmetalburn told you not to record with it... You said you are looking for a cheap solution. Bias is a great cheap solution.

You can actually come up with some great tones for your recording. Of course, there will always be those purists who will poopoo anything other than a mic/cab.

LOTS of people record with Bias.

CaseyCor is correct, there are free solution as well. I don't think they are quite as good as Bias but still something you can use to record at home.

You can find free Irs all over but if you don't want to spend time on that, buy the Ownhammer Heavy Hitters pack and be done.

http://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.ph ... cts_id=382

I expect you aren't trying to produce a world wide distribution for your touring act. Context is everything.
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Hey what was it your where talking about saving $100 on? Did you buy the pro with amp matching but could have just bought the regular bias amp for $59? That isn't too much to give it a shot I don't think.
 
slyym":3j06c0j1 said:
Hey what was it your where talking about saving $100 on? Did you buy the pro with amp matching but could have just bought the regular bias amp for $59? That isn't too much to give it a shot I don't think.
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Yes, I didn't really need the amp matching. As I stated, there are so many amp matches in the "Tone Cloud" that I don't really see a need for it. You can tweak any of the amp matches anyway.

Just FYI - I think moltenmetalburn was referring to using the PHONE APP. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend recording with that either., However, the VST is great for doing home studio recording.
 
There are some really usable tones in Bias Desktop for recording and live use. I've not used the mobile app, so I can't comment there. Add your own IRs and you're good to go. OwnHammer and RedWirez both have great IRs. There're some free IRs out there that sound great too. I put together a pretty big library of paid and free IRs so I can pick and choose as I need. I can send you some of the free IRs, but I won't be sharing any of the paid stuff. Check out the OwnHammer website, they've got tons of IR packs.

With Bias, I find the need to run high and low pass filter at the end of the chain in my DAW. It helps tame the "digital fizz". I don't need it with the LePou stuff. When I used Amplitube I did the same thing.
 
mudf00t":1hac2fgx said:
I don't know why moltenmetalburn told you not to record with it... You said you are looking for a cheap solution. Bias is a great cheap solution.

You can actually come up with some great tones for your recording. Of course, there will always be those purists who will poopoo anything other than a mic/cab.

LOTS of people record with Bias.

CaseyCor is correct, there are free solution as well. I don't think they are quite as good as Bias but still something you can use to record at home.

You can find free Irs all over but if you don't want to spend time on that, buy the Ownhammer Heavy Hitters pack and be done.

http://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.ph ... cts_id=382

I expect you aren't trying to produce a world wide distribution for your touring act. Context is everything.
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sorry i meant i dont use it to record s oi have no comment. unclear.
 
I use BIAS/JamUP on my phone. Sounds great, easy to use. Sounds great recorded into Garage Band IMHO.

I'd hesitate to use it live because it seems finicky. Sometimes it just does strange things to me like refuses to acknowledge my interface etc. and it can take a few minutes of restarting everything to get it back.
 
CaseyCor":280rnuhg said:
There are some really usable tones in Bias Desktop for recording and live use. I've not used the mobile app, so I can't comment there. Add your own IRs and you're good to go. OwnHammer and RedWirez both have great IRs. There're some free IRs out there that sound great too. I put together a pretty big library of paid and free IRs so I can pick and choose as I need. I can send you some of the free IRs, but I won't be sharing any of the paid stuff. Check out the OwnHammer website, they've got tons of IR packs.

With Bias, I find the need to run high and low pass filter at the end of the chain in my DAW. It helps tame the "digital fizz". I don't need it with the LePou stuff. When I used Amplitube I did the same thing.
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Hey do you think I could get away with just Bias amp std? The one for $59 or is the pro version really worth it? I wont be amp matching at least not that I know of?
 
slyym":2wcx8u8k said:
Hey do you think I could get away with just Bias amp std? The one for $59 or is the pro version really worth it? I wont be amp matching at least not that I know of?
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If you aren't amp matching, then just get the Bias FX. That is all you need.
 
I've had it for 3-4 years now and it's great. It's the only amp sim that actually *feels* good.

I don't bother with the amp matching.

I've been studying my fave guitarists' tones and cloning them using BIAS combined with DAW/Studio magic.

Here's a few:

EVH (playing starts at 11:00 mark):


Boston (no backing):


Boston (backing):


Doing Randy Rhoads next. Future will include Ronni LeTekro, Ted Nugent, John Sykes, Brian May, Scorpions... etc
 
slyym":1wid10ic said:
Well I bought BiasFx. Not sure how I feel about it just yet cause its new. First impression is its kinda cheap sounding but maybe I just need to play with it some more. Listen to this little jam I just did and tell me if its passable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bs4yf1sk1mujtt5/bias.wav?dl=0
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I think it sounds fine... you will need to play with the eq to get rid of the fizzy and boomy. I am not sure the amount of effects you are using with that tone are helping the sound but I tend to like a dryer tone, personally. For example, I prefer a tape echo where the dry signal of the guitar is more prominent than the echo over a digital delay. Maybe it's just me.
 
Try using a low pass and high pass filter at the end of your signal chain. It can really help filter out the "digitalness".

Running a boost in front (either a real boost or a plugin) can help too. Boosting the input into the amp sim seems to generate a more lifelike tone for me. I use the TSE Audio tubescreamer plugin for high gain sounds, along with my OD pedalboard in front of the interface. Bad Monkey, a homebrew treble booster, and a B.K Butler Tube Driver. You can always use the pedals included with Bias FX, of course. It looks like a lot of fun to play around with. Check out the TSE Audio stuff as well. It's all free and very useable. That's the beauty of VSTs/sims. Rarely are you limited by choice.

Here's a link to the TSE Audio stuff. https://www.tseaudio.com/software/tse808

Mercurial Audio also has a free TS style plugin which sounds really nice in my limited experience. Their amp sims are really good too. There is a free version of their U530 with some limitations. There is a couple of different JCM800 style plugins for free on their site, as well as an emulation of a Cornford amp that sounds really cool. I should use that one a bit more.

Mercurial Audio - https://mercuriall.com/cms/

Does Bias FX have a BOSS OC-2 emu? I've been looking for a VST that can do the filtered low octave thing. Adding a low octave to only the low strings on the guitar. I'd like to use it to fill out the bottom end when I do solo acoustic shows. I'm already using my Macbook with my acoustic rig, so running an emu instead of a pedal would be nice. Right now I use a Waves plugin called LoAir to add some depth to the low end. It helps, but it's not exactly what I'm looking for.

One more thing you can try is adding a channel strip/mic-pre plugin at the top of your signal chain. Waves make a bunch of channel strip emulations based on classic mixing desks. I use the Schelps 73 with acoustic, and the SSL Channel with electric guitars. It's not really their intended use (LoAir isn't for guitars either) but it sounds great to me.
 
mudf00t":1vf24put said:
slyym":1vf24put said:
Well I bought BiasFx. Not sure how I feel about it just yet cause its new. First impression is its kinda cheap sounding but maybe I just need to play with it some more. Listen to this little jam I just did and tell me if its passable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bs4yf1sk1mujtt5/bias.wav?dl=0
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I think it sounds fine... you will need to play with the eq to get rid of the fizzy and boomy. I am not sure the amount of effects you are using with that tone are helping the sound but I tend to like a dryer tone, personally. For example, I prefer a tape echo where the dry signal of the guitar is more prominent than the echo over a digital delay. Maybe it's just me.
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Yea I'm with you . That wasn't really what I'd play with just turned it on and found something to jam on. I went back and listened this morning and it doesn't sound too bad, other than the playing, lol! That's what a few beers will do to ya!
 
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