Power amp GAS: fryette 2/90/2 vs PS-100

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Has anyone used either of these as a power amp and been able to compare them? I’m sure it’s a long shot, but I’m curious. Sure, the PS-100 can do more than the 2/90/2 can, but if it doesn’t sound the same/as good as the 2902, im not interested. I had a 2902 over 10 years ago and it was phenomenal, however I was using it only to power my Kemper at the time when the Kemper first came out, never used it with a preamp.

My amp slaving quest has me really wanting to pull the trigger on a 2902, but the features and lower price of the PS-100 is more appealing. And then there is the 2150….. sigh… why didn’t I buy one of these years ago :(

Again, I only care about using it as a slave for my amps preamps for different flavors, but if the PS-100 is just as good as a stand alone power amp, I’d be very interested. Let’s hear it!
 
I had the PS100; I did compare it to my HH M900 and it wasn’t very close; HH for the win. Not the same comparison but I’d put good money that the stand alone 2/90/2 would crush it as well.
PS100 is a nice unit though with the flexibility of use.
 
I had similar experience with 2502 vs PS1. Full sized trannies in standalone poweramp makes a difference.
 
Thanks guys… this is what worries me about the 2902 believe it or not, because I’ve heard similar about the 2902 vs the 2150. The 2902 is phenomenal for sure, but hearing it next to a 2150, would I be disappointed?
 
I have and am a big advocate of the PS100. I use it as a power amp for my FM9 and Kemper. I think because of its neutral character it works really well in applications with modelers.

For your purposes, I would go with the 2902. I had a synergy rig and used the PS100 as the power amp. It sounded good, but I think a dedicated power amp like the 2502/2902 would have been the way to go. I felt like the PS100 was almost too neutral with the synergy rig. Others have had great success with the PS100 as a power amp with preamps, so don’t rule it out it, but just keep in mind, it was designed to be more neutral than the 2502/2902.

That being said, I love my PS100 for the attenuation, load box, and as a power amp for my modeler/profilers. Because of my applications, it’s a better fit than the 2502/2902.
 
Thanks guys… this is what worries me about the 2902 believe it or not, because I’ve heard similar about the 2902 vs the 2150. The 2902 is phenomenal for sure, but hearing it next to a 2150, would I be disappointed?
From what I’ve learned yes the 2150/2100 are the top of the heap. But, pretty rare and spendy when you find one.
Other options are a Mesa S400, 500 or a Rivera Hammer which they still have available NOS for under 2K…ordered direct from Rivera.
 
These aren't even remotely the same in my world . I absolutely LOOOve the ps-100 but I use it as an attenuator with an effects loop . I used it to power my Synergy rig and didn't like it nearly as well . I think if you are using something just for power I would use something else but the PS 100 would work.
 
As has been mentioned the Power Station power amp is voiced neutral or linear.

"The LX II’s “Linear” mode provides a full-range, flat-response signal from your amp to your speaker cabinet, while the “Enhanced” mode brings the color and life to your tone that you would expect from a Fryette power amp."

All the other Fryette amps are voiced the enhanced guitar amp voice.

You also need to consider more than how they sound side by side. How do they sound with your gear live in a band mix.
 
"because most racks used a preamp - or three - or a combination of preamps and slaved amps using resistive (not reactive) loads. Our power amps worked well because they brought the needed dynamic and tonal elements to get closer to a real amp sound.

These days, modelers have more (though certainly not all) of the tonal and dynamic ingredients and we have better loads like our Power Load, Power Station and the Suhr product to enhance the behavior of slaved amps. So now, the power amp can afford to be more neutral. Some feel that this validates SS power amps because "flat response", etc, which is not necessarily true, but that's the pitch.

Just because you have good reactive load and are using an EL34 based amp head, doesn't mean you need an EL34 power amp to somehow retain the amps original flavor. Once the amps EL34s have added their bit of spice, it doesn't make sense that an EL34 power amp is needed to preserve that, or that a 6L6 power amp somehow magically erases it. And especially that a SS power amp will somehow stay out of the way entirely.

In general, what a tube power amp in this case brings is dynamic feel, often severely lacking in SS power amps, or masked in tube power amps with heavy coloration or intentionally dragged dynamic response. The 2/50/2 delivers a very dynamic feel, which is why it works so well in this application. The LXII likewise delivers great dynamic response and can be operated as a more neutral amp sonically, or punched up to behave similarly to the 2/50/2.

I should mention that the 2/50/2 cheats a little because it's actually 65W per channel with both channels driven, comparable to the Mesa Simul Two:90 which is also good for around 65W per channel (both amps measured at 5% distortion). The LXII is 50W per channel on the nose (both channels driven), and close to 60W one channel only.

The main reason for using 6L6s in the LXII is because they tend to be more rugged mechanically, so better suited for use in this tight environment.

How is the LXII different from the Syn5050 (which yes, we also designed)? Well, there is a reason the LXII costs a little more and that mainly has to do with the build quality of transformers. Though similar in design, the LXII OTs use a particularly high quality steel grade and are precision wound with kraft insulation (as opposed to tape), which improves frequency response and tonal consistency. The LXII also has a little more dynamic responsiveness, which as stated above, is important for modelers, preamps and slaved amps. The LXII also has the remote switchable features and Line Outs on each channel. The Syn5050 gives a little more coloration and sag, which they wanted to enhance the flavor of the modules.

About the Presence and Depth trimpots, over the decades, we've seen that most users set those controls a particular way and don't change that much if ever. They're not radical tone shaping features anyway, so the idea that they need to be intensely on demand is not consistent with our long experience on the subject. Being able to set them to taste and then switch them on and off individually or simultaneously is a very useful feature, an idea also borne out in extensive user feedback and validated over 2 years or so in field testing.

Is the LXII just 2 Power Station power amps in one box? Yes and no. Both products follow the same basic topology used on all of our power amp designs, and yes there are essentially two amps on one chassis, but the toroid power transformer in the LXII is a more efficient and responsive item that the square transformers in the PS-2, PS-100, 2/50/2 and 2/90/2, so it kind of straddles both worlds. If you only use one channel of the LXII, it will be stiffer than the PS-2 as a power amp. If you run both channels in stereo, or in bridge mono, you'll have more headroom and get better power supply utilization, which will give you a better feel, but not at bedroom volume. So, which is best for you is all about application."

"Depends on how loud you'll be playing and which cabs you're driving. They're all similar in design and all sound massive at low to medium volumes.
The LXII sounds remarkably big for it's size. The 2/90/2 will sound massive at higher volume than the 2/50/2 obviously.
The Classic XXX will stomp anything at any volume.
BTW, Mick did and still does use Classics, not 2150. Upcoming tour will be powered by Classic XXX :dude."
 
Been through this personally.

PS100 is least favorite of the Fryette's as a standalone power amp
LXII is like a 2/50/2 Lite. Pretty cool for one space. Liked it better than PS for sure.
2/50/2 is fantastic. Great mid content
2150 is fantastic - more aggressive and bigger sounding. Feels powerful

Have not tried the 2902 yet.
 
I liked the PS100, but was really only using it as a power amp for a W/D set up. Didn't need to use as an attenuator or a load. I recently bought the 2/90/2 and sold the PS100. I never compared them side-by-side, but everything sounds better to me...also can use in W/D/W as well. I had debated buying a second PS100, but opted to get the 2/90/2 instead for stereo.

If you just need a power amp, also consider the KSR power amps. I've never played one, but I've read good things. If it had been in rack form, I may have bought one of those instead of the 2/90/2
 
I used and owned a few power amps. I like the power amp in my Mesa Mark IV. 8 voice / power levels. GEQ works with the effects return.

The only amp that really stood out was the Mesa Strategy 500. Running into 8 EVM12L.
It is just such a massive sound. I never bought one. Even when doing stadium shows I never needed this kind of power.
 
Wishlist request: A Stereo Power amp that can accept an amplifier load. Both Power Station units can do this but they're not stereo. All the Fryette Power Amps are stereo but cannot accept an amplifier speaker load at the input. Mankind can put a Tesla automobile in space but can't make such a power amp?
 
Wishlist request: A Stereo Power amp that can accept an amplifier load. Both Power Station units can do this but they're not stereo. All the Fryette Power Amps are stereo but cannot accept an amplifier speaker load at the input. Mankind can put a Tesla automobile in space but can't make such a power amp?
Apparently Suhr is up to something, and has a fancy slaving/reamping device in the works. I'd be so stoked if it was a combo of their reactive load and a stereo power amp with lots of ability to tweak the load for slaving purposes.

I've tried the PS-1 and PS-100 and was just never too thrilled with the tones, but again I can see the appeal with the convenience factor.
 
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