Proof the Earth is round

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Monkey Man said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why it is that you can travel in a "straight" line in any direction and end up where you started if the earth is not a globe.

Only a globe works for this scenario... AFAIK...
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That's the thing. And it's why I generally don't waste any of my time on this thread. The fact, which is and has been proven over and over and over and over is that you can head one direction, stay heading in that direction and end up back where you started. It's one thing to say the earth isn't spherical, but unless you can tell me what shape it is or reconcile the fact that you can get from point A back to point A simply by heading east you don't have enough knowledge or information for me to even bother listening to you.
 
Floyd Eye said:
That's the thing. And it's why I generally don't waste any of my time on this thread. The fact, which is and has been proven over and over and over and over is that you can head one direction, stay heading in that direction and end up back where you started. It's one thing to say the earth isn't spherical, but unless you can tell me what shape it is or reconcile the fact that you can get from point A back to point A simply by heading east you don't have enough knowledge or information for me to even bother listening to you.
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It is a total waste of time for sure.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I feel like with this question you are envisioning yourself, or something just sitting still in space and watching the earth spin beneath you, yea?
Things that go into “space” have to still travel pretty fast to stay in “space”, as in to stay in the same spot relative to what you are looking at.

Anyways so what I think you are wondering about are called Lagrange points. Basically they are pockets in space where the gravity of large objects like the sun or a planet, are equal to eachother and you won’t get pulled either way.

For instance the James Webb is chilling in one to minimize the need to use fuel to stay in one spot.

So maybe this will help, but overall it’s a misconception that once you get out Earth’s atmosphere, you would just float aimlessly in one spot and watch the world turn. Something will pretty much always be pulling you one way or another
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My question is at what height must I ascend to where I can visually witness the earth spinning beneath me? The figures I found were wildly varying. We are told it's spinning at over 1000 mph so how high I gotta go before I can travel place to place without having to walk? I'm not suggesting floating aimlessly but there are all these different numbers for low earth orbit, medium earth orbit, high earth orbit and none of those seem to be an exacting number, so it strikes me as arbitrary bullshit because a solid answer is never provided. "It depends" doesn't really help me. Do I have to go beyond high earth orbit to witness it spinning very rapidly since I would need to be out of the gravitational pull to not spin with it?

I never get a satisfactory answer which furthers my disbelief in a ball earth.

I looked up the Lagrange points but it's tied to celestial bodies rather than just visually being able to watch earth spin.
 
Floyd Eye said:
That's the thing. And it's why I generally don't waste any of my time on this thread. The fact, which is and has been proven over and over and over and over is that you can head one direction, stay heading in that direction and end up back where you started. It's one thing to say the earth isn't spherical, but unless you can tell me what shape it is or reconcile the fact that you can get from point A back to point A simply by heading east you don't have enough knowledge or information for me to even bother listening to you.
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An easterly circumnavigation is entirely possible on a disc if north is the center of the disc. A southward circumnavigation complicates things.
 
Floyd Eye said:
That makes zero sense. Got an illustration ?
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It does make sense because a compass points to magnetic north, therefore east and west will still be east and west even on a disc. South would still be south it would just theoretically end at the edge.
 
VonBonfire said:
It does make sense because a compass points to magnetic north, therefore east and west will still be east and west even on a disc. South would still be south it would just theoretically end at the edge.
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What's north of north ? If it's a disc it ends at some point in any direction.
 
VonBonfire said:
My question is at what height must I ascend to where I can visually witness the earth spinning beneath me? The figures I found were wildly varying. We are told it's spinning at over 1000 mph so how high I gotta go before I can travel place to place without having to walk? I'm not suggesting floating aimlessly but there are all these different numbers for low earth orbit, medium earth orbit, high earth orbit and none of those seem to be an exacting number, so it strikes me as arbitrary bullshit because a solid answer is never provided. "It depends" doesn't really help me. Do I have to go beyond high earth orbit to witness it spinning very rapidly since I would need to be out of the gravitational pull to not spin with it?

I never get a satisfactory answer which furthers my disbelief in a ball earth.

I looked up the Lagrange points but it's tied to celestial bodies rather than just visually being able to watch earth spin.
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I just think the question is kind of arbitrary. To watch the earth spin means you would have to not be moving with it. So to me that means you’d either have to calculate what speed and direction to travel to stay in one spot (which I cannot do) or be somewhere like a point mentioned before where you aren’t moving at all. (And at that point you would be like a million miles from earth and probably wouldn’t be able to see it all that well)

I suppose you could watch it from the moon’s surface too, but again that is pretty far away and would still be barley noticeable because while 1000mph sounds fast, it still takes 24 hours to spin all the way around so you’d have to stare at it for a pretty long time for it to appear as if things were moving


I tried this explanation a while ago and it didn’t go over well lol, but if you took like a basketball, and made a device that would make it spin all the way around once every 24 hours, it would barley appear to be spinning to you.


So I guess my answer is that it doesn’t really matter how far away you are, even if you could watch the earth spin, you wouldn’t notice it spinning
 
Floyd Eye said:
What's north of north ? If it's a disc it ends at some point in any direction.
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There is no north of north on a ball earth either. Once you crossed the pole north would send you back to it. On a disc north is just at the centerpoint.
 
VonBonfire said:
There is no north of north on a ball earth either. Once you crossed the pole north would send you back to it. On a disc north is just at the centerpoint.
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Like I said, let's see an illustration because that makes zero sense. Once you hit the center ( north) if you keep going which direction are you now traveling ?
 
Floyd Eye said:
Like I said, let's see an illustration because that makes zero sense. Once you hit the center ( north) if you keep going which direction are you now traveling ?
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Stack a nickel on a quarter. The nickel's edge is representative of an east/west circumnavigation route.

As for your second question you'd be traveling south after that, just like on a ball earth.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Like I said, let's see an illustration because that makes zero sense. Once you hit the center ( north) if you keep going which direction are you now traveling ?
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You'd have to be going in a circle around the center point of flat earth for this to make any kind of sense. This argument falls apart if going south.
 
VonBonfire said:
Stack a nickel on a quarter. The nickel's edge is representative of an east/west circumnavigation route.

As for your second question you'd be traveling south after that, just like on a ball earth.
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Makes no sense.


Per your second sentence, how can south be up and down ?

You really need to design a visual representation of what you're talking about. The reason why there isn't a single person who even considers your theory a possibility is because it only appears to make any sense at all to you.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
You'd have to be going in a circle around the center point of flat earth for this to make any kind of sense. This argument falls apart if going south.
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I believe VB is rebelling against the idea of believing things people tell you. I don't for a second think he believes we are on a disc earth. It's pretty much the stupidest explanation someone could come up with if devoid of actual evidence.


Occam's razor applies.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Makes no sense.


Per your second sentence, how can south be up and down ?

You really need to design a visual representation of what you're talking about. The reason why there isn't a single person who even considers your theory a possibility is because it only appears to make any sense at all to you.
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For starters, I don't have any "theories" other than it's not a ball. I know many are comforted by group think but it doesn't matter to me how many people think the same as me.

I have a visual representation because if you are looking at ball earth from directly above the north pole everything is the same. Once you pass through the pole itself you're headed south again. I'm surprised you aren't able to visualize that, it's pretty straightforward with either model.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I believe VB is rebelling against the idea of believing things people tell you. I don't for a second think he believes we are on a disc earth. It's pretty much the stupidest explanation someone could come up with if devoid of actual evidence.


Occam's razor applies.
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I don't know. Maybe we should trust VB. He must be pretty smart if he learned everything he ever needed to know by 3rd grade and didn't need any more education after that.
 
VonBonfire said:
For starters, I don't have any "theories" other than it's not a ball. I know many are comforted by group think but it doesn't matter to me how many people think the same as me.

I have a visual representation because if you are looking at ball earth from directly above the north pole everything is the same. Once you pass through the pole itself you're headed south again. I'm surprised you aren't able to visualize that, it's pretty straightforward with either model.
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So you are assuming everything is 2D ?
 
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