dfrattaroli
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Bob Savage":17v0ct35 said:
Noob. It's 3.72 lbs.
Noob. It's 3.72 lbs.
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Bob Savage
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dfrattaroli":33bt5rl7 said:
It was raining. You always round to the hundreds in the rain.
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Anonymous
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Two days in a row! You ARE thinkin' about guitars, ain't ya!Bob Savage":33ppzzyp said:
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Bob Savage
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sah5150":2g9bsxb4 said:Two days in a row! You ARE thinkin' about guitars, ain't ya!
Steve
Could point to a trend. We'll see. Mostly I just needed somewhere to share my invaluable input since I'm on vacation this week, so here I am.
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Oh yeah, I forgot you were off... Wanna grab a beer tomorrow night?Bob Savage":bycy5221 said:sah5150":bycy5221 said:Two days in a row! You ARE thinkin' about guitars, ain't ya!
Steve
Could point to a trend. We'll see. Mostly I just needed somewhere to share my invaluable input since I'm on vacation this week, so here I am.
Steve
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Bob Savage
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sah5150":gfsfi4bn said:
I Need to confirm but yes.
crankyrayhanky
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Rezamatix":30666iaw said:
^This sounds great!
I used to quad track, but now I'm seeing better spots to pick to build the sound, i.e. 1 or 2 tracks in the verses, add a 3rd or 4th 50% volume in the chorus. But sometimes it's just not needed, I guess it all depends on the tune.
ZWylde recording philosophy of multi tracking countless guitars seems to be replaced by Slipknot philosophy- 2 guitars L/R- but each guitar has several amps and mics capturing the single performance. Slipknot axes sound HUGE and are so full of clarity and direct-ness. Of course, you'll need a quality MW1 type piece, but I like this approach better.
Taking a track & copying it is NOT multitracking, and typically comes off inferior to the above.
Do I have to put IMO or YMMV? LOL
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crankyrayhanky":2dalzll9 said:
zactly... Use each where they make sense. I like 1-2 rhythm guitars but if I wanted to get the Black Album tone I'd octuple or nonuple the tracks, possibly to the 3rd power.
rupe
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Aren't there phase cancellation issues to contend with with you go beyond double tracking? I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Personally, I've never done more than double rhythms.
IIRC, Randy Rhoads triple and quad tracked many of his rhythms and even some solos. Not sure what good it did overall with Max Norman twisting the knobs, but contrary to popular opinion I think there were some cool tones on a few of those tracks.
IIRC, Randy Rhoads triple and quad tracked many of his rhythms and even some solos. Not sure what good it did overall with Max Norman twisting the knobs, but contrary to popular opinion I think there were some cool tones on a few of those tracks.
sinfish
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I quad tracked but now that we are in the mixing phase I am finding that we are dropping 1 track per song. It is just too much some times.
Track 1 ENGL
Track 2 Krank (sounds good recorded but would hate to play one live)
Track 3 5150
Track 4 Soldano
Track 1 ENGL
Track 2 Krank (sounds good recorded but would hate to play one live)
Track 3 5150
Track 4 Soldano
drucifer
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This one has quad tracked rhythm guitar:
glassjaw7
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Listening through laptop speakers, I'd say the first is quad and the second is double.JakeAC5253":u2n6a7ng said:
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glassjaw7":193vhrhv said:
I guessed opposite.
Maybe I missed it but did we find out the answer to this yet?
JakeAC5253
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Bob Savage":ij95wfaa said:
For those of you who said the quad tracked part came first, you were right.
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JakeAC5253":xlz95ts6 said:
A neat comparison. I guessed the other way and like the quad tracked sound much better. Were both played exactly the same? There seemed to be some harmonization going on in the quad tracked one I didn't noticed much until the very end on the DT clip.
JakeAC5253
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Bob Savage":2dl7wtzm said:
Yes, they are the same files actually. I just muted the 'doubled' takes on each side for the second clip.
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Serratus
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Surely it depends what you do about panning them aswell?
I've done 5 tracks before:
Main sound on two tracks panned 60% L-R
Different guitar/sound, at lower volume on two tracks panned 100% L-R
Lower gain sound quieter again somewhere near the centre
Sounds huge, and if you're tight you can add a doubled acoustic track in there really quietly aswell to add some frequencies and percussion.
That being said, I've also done one perfect take of the whole song and just copied it and moved it back by a few ms, and panned them L-R, which just sounds like one, big, guitar sound. Can cause phasing issues tho....
Depends what the song needs.
But if you're creative with sounds, volumes and panning then I'd say that quad tracking can be very different to dual
I've done 5 tracks before:
Main sound on two tracks panned 60% L-R
Different guitar/sound, at lower volume on two tracks panned 100% L-R
Lower gain sound quieter again somewhere near the centre
Sounds huge, and if you're tight you can add a doubled acoustic track in there really quietly aswell to add some frequencies and percussion.
That being said, I've also done one perfect take of the whole song and just copied it and moved it back by a few ms, and panned them L-R, which just sounds like one, big, guitar sound. Can cause phasing issues tho....
Depends what the song needs.
But if you're creative with sounds, volumes and panning then I'd say that quad tracking can be very different to dual
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axemeaquestion
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I've read before that another idea is to actually mike the strings on your electric (assuming you are isolated from your amp) and blend that percussive sounding track into your amp sounds. Anyone ever tried that?
crankyrayhanky
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I did that on a Bass line once and loved it! Probably not the best approach for every tune, but pick your spots and its gold!