Question about Bugera Magician (Mark IV clone)

[HerbieTheRadDorklift]

Inspired by the Mark IV thread...

How can Bugera accurately make a Mark IV when it has so many patents standing over it? Buy them out?

 

[ACShreds]

 

[Juggernaut]

how did they do the 5150/XXX/etc.....?


they are overseas, US laws don't really apply..... I think. hell I don't know, just talking out my ass.

 

[HerbieTheRadDorklift]

I wasn't aware Peavey had patents TBH. Or maybe it's just because Boogie shove it down our throats that they have a bazillion patents on their amps

 

[Juggernaut]

I would imagine they do.... a business that big, you'd think they have a dept dedicated to it.

 

[HerbieTheRadDorklift]

Naaahh... Peavey ain't that big.

 

[Juggernaut]

mom & pop type place huh?

 

[Heritage Softail]

I think they end up in court occasionally for issues like that. Even if that is not the case, they have a great reputation for those little chinese kids building a quality product

No three amps built today.... no cup of rice....

 

[blackba]

Inspired by the Mark IV thread...

How can Bugera accurately make a Mark IV when it has so many patents standing over it? Buy them out?

I think the patents may be expired, I mean the mark IV was release in late '89 or '90. http://www.inventionstatistics.com/Pate ... riods.html

bugera/Behringer has been good at changing just enough to get around the patents. Bugera/Behringer have the game down.

 

[bste328]

with the so called "inventing around".

do almost the same thing, almost the same way

 

[diagrammatiks]

ze germans are engineerings geniuses.

 

[glassjaw7]

The Magician and the new Recto clone (trirec I think?) are not available in the states yet. Probably due to some patent issue...

 

[glassjaw7]

Holy shit. That is a BLATANT rip-off! Check out their site. "Experience all-valve magic that truly hits the mark"

And for the Trirec: "Discover your soul, feel and personality...Triple Rectified"
http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/home.aspx

 

[Sixtonoize]

It's easy - most of the stuff that Mesa patents isn't really patentable in the first place, and any patent attorney worth their salt can invalidate most of their stuff with a quickness. Seriously...some of the shit that they've managed to get by the patent process is just ridiculous. Like their Solo function - it's a secondary master volume that's controlled by a relay. That's it. It's not new or inventive, but it's still patented. Plenty of manufacturers use this design, but the only thing that would come out of Mesa suing them is that their patent would be thrown out.

Mesa knows this and doesn't want all of their patents overturned, so they look the other way since Bugera isn't exactly targeting their main customer base anyway.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

They'll make it just different enough to avoid litigation but still get in the general ballpark of the tone I'm guessing.

I actually want to try one, lol.

 

[glassjaw7]

It's easy - most of the stuff that Mesa patents isn't really patentable in the first place, and any patent attorney worth their salt can invalidate most of their stuff with a quickness. Seriously...some of the shit that they've managed to get by the patent process is just ridiculous. Like their Solo function - it's a secondary master volume that's controlled by a relay. That's it. It's not new or inventive, but it's still patented. Plenty of manufacturers use this design, but the only thing that would come out of Mesa suing them is that their patent would be thrown out.

Mesa knows this and doesn't want all of their patents overturned, so they look the other way since Bugera isn't exactly targeting their main customer base anyway.

Good point.

 

[FUZZboat]

The Magician and the new Recto clone (trirec I think?) are not available in the states yet. Probably due to some patent issue...

http://www.worldmusicsupply.com/Bugera-Magician-Tube-Guitar-Amp.html

 

[glassjaw7]

Not gonna lie, I actually want to hear the Magician to see if it's close to a Mark.

 

[petejt]

Tell you what, I'd play a Bugera Magician over a MarkV!

 

[Heritage Softail]

There is a dealer in ATL that has other Bugera models. The guy is straight up and says the amps cop some tones pretty well, and I have played a few and agree. He said they are not road reliable but great for home use and cheap. The guy was honest about it. The few I played all sounded like the "parent" amp they copied.

Something about buying an amp that is a blatant rip off that seems a bit lame, maybe.... So many amps are Marshall clones and you don't hear people gagging on that. Maybe cuz current Marshalls are lacking..?