question about clean boost and overdrive pedals..

[Anonymous]

i have a 6505 and im using a maxon od9, as a boost.. was wandering if i bought a actual clean boost pedal to use with the od9 would it help out my tone.. is it possible to use both to help boost a tube amp.. or is it pointless!! thanks

 

[mrkmas]

Many guitarists use boosts in combination with overdrive pedals for extra gain upfront.Gilmour reminds me of this, but he certainly doesnt use a 6505 as an amp though. He uses various boosts and fuzz/od/dist pedals to get the job done with his Hiwatts or whatever he is using.

Main thing I am not certain about is how the amp is setup. Are you looking for the amp to be set to a crunch setting, and having the boost w/ od send the amp into a lead tone, or are you looking for variety in an already set lead tone?

 

[Anonymous]

looking for variety in an already set lead tone.. im jsut looking to add to my lead tone.. wandering how od9 out front and clean boost in loop with sonic maximizer.. would this have an extra, or would it work better out front with od9 pedal.. i know how much the od9 helps my 6505 i was jsut wandering if i added a clean boost pedal if it would help it even more...

 

[Anonymous]

anybody else use an OD pedal and clean boost pedal at the same time??? i was hoping for a little more extra something adding a clean boost, but i installed a emg 81 in my PRS se and WOW it sounds freaking awesome.. but if anyone has any other info on this please let me know.. thanks

 

[Ventura]

I typically rely on my amp to provide the dirt (OD), but have sparingly used the BB Pre, OCD and BMPi on my crunch and cleaner channels. I use a superior clean boost on all my amps - and this actually drives the front end of the amp into break up, rather than distorting the guitar's signal before it hits the preamp.

In my experience and humblest opines, using the clean boost up front and relying on the head to get busy with the extra horsepower has offered way better sonic results. But again, so hard to offer advice when I don't know what it is you're really looking for.

Cheers,
Mo

 

[Anonymous]

I typically rely on my amp to provide the dirt (OD), but have sparingly used the BB Pre, OCD and BMPi on my crunch and cleaner channels. I use a superior clean boost on all my amps - and this actually drives the front end of the amp into break up, rather than distorting the guitar's signal before it hits the preamp.

In my experience and humblest opines, using the clean boost up front and relying on the head to get busy with the extra horsepower has offered way better sonic results. But again, so hard to offer advice when I don't know what it is you're really looking for.

Cheers,
Mo

well i am jsut looking for something little extra like what the maxon od-9 does when used as a boost.. i thought maybe if i used a clean boost that it might give my amp alittle more balls.. i dont really know how to explain it. sorry. i just want more balls if that makes sense.. thanks for your help

 

[Ventura]

I typically rely on my amp to provide the dirt (OD), but have sparingly used the BB Pre, OCD and BMPi on my crunch and cleaner channels. I use a superior clean boost on all my amps - and this actually drives the front end of the amp into break up, rather than distorting the guitar's signal before it hits the preamp.

In my experience and humblest opines, using the clean boost up front and relying on the head to get busy with the extra horsepower has offered way better sonic results. But again, so hard to offer advice when I don't know what it is you're really looking for.

Cheers,
Mo

well i am jsut looking for something little extra like what the maxon od-9 does when used as a boost.. i thought maybe if i used a clean boost that it might give my amp alittle more balls.. i dont really know how to explain it. sorry. i just want more balls if that makes sense.. thanks for your help

This is their stock unit: http://www.creationaudiolabs.com/mk423

If you happen to find the 48V "Pro" model on ePay or CL, hit it. It's over-the-top. Now, this thing is by far my fave pedal and all it does is act as an incredibly clean "CLEAN" boost. But by increasing the octane of the signal coming into the amp's preamp section, it slams it - and providing your amp is tasty in the sense of pre and post saturation, it makes the most musical overdrive I've ever experienced. I've run this stomp on a variety of amps, and haven't been displeased with the results whatsoever. It's like hitting an NOS switch on a hot-rod, I can't think of any other description. It just takes your tone and sound and 'elevates' it incredibly.

Before I bought mine, I did a lot of research and this was the top banana for me. YMMV.

Peace,
Mo

 

[Anonymous]

I typically rely on my amp to provide the dirt (OD), but have sparingly used the BB Pre, OCD and BMPi on my crunch and cleaner channels. I use a superior clean boost on all my amps - and this actually drives the front end of the amp into break up, rather than distorting the guitar's signal before it hits the preamp.

In my experience and humblest opines, using the clean boost up front and relying on the head to get busy with the extra horsepower has offered way better sonic results. But again, so hard to offer advice when I don't know what it is you're really looking for.

Cheers,
Mo

well i am jsut looking for something little extra like what the maxon od-9 does when used as a boost.. i thought maybe if i used a clean boost that it might give my amp alittle more balls.. i dont really know how to explain it. sorry. i just want more balls if that makes sense.. thanks for your help

This is their stock unit: http://www.creationaudiolabs.com/mk423

If you happen to find the 48V "Pro" model on ePay or CL, hit it. It's over-the-top. Now, this thing is by far my fave pedal and all it does is act as an incredibly clean "CLEAN" boost. But by increasing the octane of the signal coming into the amp's preamp section, it slams it - and providing your amp is tasty in the sense of pre and post saturation, it makes the most musical overdrive I've ever experienced. I've run this stomp on a variety of amps, and haven't been displeased with the results whatsoever. It's like hitting an NOS switch on a hot-rod, I can't think of any other description. It just takes your tone and sound and 'elevates' it incredibly.

Before I bought mine, I did a lot of research and this was the top banana for me. YMMV.

Peace,
Mo

thats awesome man thanks.. im going to try and find it on the ebay, or CL.. if not can i order it off the site you gave me??? and should i put a clean boost pedal out front or in the loop??? i have my maxon od9 out front.. but thanks man for all your help and i am for sure getting this.. it sounds amazing.. thanks

 

[JakeAC5253]

A clean boost can be a useful tool in almost any rig, but a 5150 is one of the few exceptions... it is not an amp which benefits at all from a clean volume boost. You are doing the right thing for the amp by running a 808/9 voiced pedal into it. If you want to get a clean volume boost, put a clean boost in the loop, not out front.

 

[Ventura]

A clean boost can be a useful tool in almost any rig, but a 5150 is one of the few exceptions... it is not an amp which benefits at all from a clean volume boost. You are doing the right thing for the amp by running a 808/9 voiced pedal into it. If you want to get a clean volume boost, put a clean boost in the loop, not out front.

There we have it, I stand corrected. However, it still may shine in the loop as the aforementioned post states. It would drive the snot outta yer powersection, which I suppose could very well yield the results still desired. I've never tried mine in a loop - it's been in front of a VH4, Hagen, Einstein, 20thA XTC and a Mak4/2-90-2 rig. No problems. But ya, I've got ZERO experience with the 5150 family of heads.

I still think it's worth a shot - worst case scenario is re-sell it if it doesn't sound right. Might just be a case of trial and error. Good luck either way

 

[Riffraff]

I do. It's sometimes very cool to layer pedals to paint the tone you are after. I do that all the time with some of my amps. Here's a little clip of a pedal shoot out I did yesterday. I'm demoing 3 different OD pedals and all had a Route 66 compressor set as a clean boost before them and a M108 after them. The guitar is a single pole loaded MIA ash Deluxe Strat and the amp is a 5E3 Tweed Deluxe clone (Silverone 1482).

The whole point of the shootout for me was to see which OD blended best with the clean boost and the EQ was to tweak the final tone so I could get exactly the tone I was after driving the amp. The clean boost adds that crisp clarity on the high end. Pedals are like paints on a pallet, you can mix them to get the exact color you are looking for.

In the end the Route 66 OD won so that's what I used for my Stones clip. It gave me "that tone".

 

[Anonymous]

okay thanks guys you all have been a great help.. i learn so much on this forum.. i will try it in loop and out frnt to see whcih one i like more.. like i have been saying i jsut want more balls on top of the balls the 5150 already has.. that is the best way to explain what i am wanting to get out of this..MORE BALLS!!! LOL thanks so much guys.

o yea one more question what does a compressor pedal do?? and how would it affect my over all tone?? are they useful, necessary, good to use with high gain amps like the 5150?? thanks

 

[Ventura]

okay thanks guys you all have been a great help.. i learn so much on this forum.. i will try it in loop and out frnt to see whcih one i like more.. like i have been saying i jsut want more balls on top of the balls the 5150 already has.. that is the best way to explain what i am wanting to get out of this..MORE BALLS!!! LOL thanks so much guys.

o yea one more question what does a compressor pedal do?? and how would it affect my over all tone?? are they useful, necessary, good to use with high gain amps like the 5150?? thanks

It's not a balls kinda stomp

A compressor basically creates a linear sound by increasing the softer played notes, and limiting the more 'attacked' notes. It makes everything somewhat equal - and effects the attack and bloom of notes played (more than necessary to get the grasp). Without pigeon-holing compressors, if you think about the chicken-pickin' country style players where all the notes played seem to sound the same volume and attack and release quickly, this is usually the work of a compressor. They can also create longer sustains or sometimes, cut them right off. But in short, it squishes the entire signal so there are no highs (in the volume) and no lows (in the volume).

Not something 'typically' used in metal or heavy rock situations. But then, hey, anything's possible.

 

[Anonymous]

okay thanks guys you all have been a great help.. i learn so much on this forum.. i will try it in loop and out frnt to see whcih one i like more.. like i have been saying i jsut want more balls on top of the balls the 5150 already has.. that is the best way to explain what i am wanting to get out of this..MORE BALLS!!! LOL thanks so much guys.

o yea one more question what does a compressor pedal do?? and how would it affect my over all tone?? are they useful, necessary, good to use with high gain amps like the 5150?? thanks

It's not a balls kinda stomp

A compressor basically creates a linear sound by increasing the softer played notes, and limiting the more 'attacked' notes. It makes everything somewhat equal - and effects the attack and bloom of notes played (more than necessary to get the grasp). Without pigeon-holing compressors, if you think about the chicken-pickin' country style players where all the notes played seem to sound the same volume and attack and release quickly, this is usually the work of a compressor. They can also create longer sustains or sometimes, cut them right off. But in short, it squishes the entire signal so there are no highs (in the volume) and no lows (in the volume).

Not something 'typically' used in metal or heavy rock situations. But then, hey, anything's possible.

okay awesome that again for the help.. im not going to use a compressor i noticed it on the video, and thought i would ask what it purpose is.. but thanks for all the info i cant wait until i get my boost pedal.. should be getting it here in 3-4 days

 

[Riffraff]

okay thanks guys you all have been a great help.. i learn so much on this forum.. i will try it in loop and out frnt to see whcih one i like more.. like i have been saying i jsut want more balls on top of the balls the 5150 already has.. that is the best way to explain what i am wanting to get out of this..MORE BALLS!!! LOL thanks so much guys.

o yea one more question what does a compressor pedal do?? and how would it affect my over all tone?? are they useful, necessary, good to use with high gain amps like the 5150?? thanks

It's not a balls kinda stomp

A compressor basically creates a linear sound by increasing the softer played notes, and limiting the more 'attacked' notes. It makes everything somewhat equal - and effects the attack and bloom of notes played (more than necessary to get the grasp). Without pigeon-holing compressors, if you think about the chicken-pickin' country style players where all the notes played seem to sound the same volume and attack and release quickly, this is usually the work of a compressor. They can also create longer sustains or sometimes, cut them right off. But in short, it squishes the entire signal so there are no highs (in the volume) and no lows (in the volume).

Not something 'typically' used in metal or heavy rock situations. But then, hey, anything's possible.

okay awesome that again for the help.. im not going to use a compressor i noticed it on the video, and thought i would ask what it purpose is.. but thanks for all the info i cant wait until i get my boost pedal.. should be getting it here in 3-4 days

If you turn the compression all the way down you can use this one as a clean boost which is what I'm doing. The Route 66 is like 3 pedals in one, overdrive/compressor/clean boost. I almost never use the compressor side as a compressor, only as a clean boost.

 

[gmcelroy]

I used to play a 5150 & 5150II and I would use a clean boost when using a strat to give it a bit more output. If you wanting to add some "more balls" then I would suggest using an eq pedal such as a Boss GE-7 in the loop to tailor your sound!