Rack Mount Multi Head Switcher Question?

[King Guitar]

Hey Guys,

I Need a one space rack unit that will switch between a Roland JC120H head and a Diezel Herbert in my rack (I know there is a VH4 in the pic but it being replaced with a Herb) and keep a load on the head not in use so I can use one 4x12 cabinet on the gig (due to space limits).

Which piece will do that?

I know the Sound Sculpture Head Trip would do it but it is discontinued and I cant locate one (if you have one hit me up).

The Mesa High Gain Amp Switcher looks promising but I am not sure if it keeps a load on the heads not in use?

Anybody know or have any suggestions?

Brad

 

[boof]

Be fore I scrolled down I was thinking head trip. I do know of a place that has a few. but... and here is the big but.. its in Japan so I dont know if there are any differences for 100v Japan power or not. but if you are interested I can find out if they still have them.

additional note.
I just had a look at their web site They do seem to have one listed (at least on their site) I bit on the expensive side. about $1,280USD

Sound Sculpture
Head Trip
128,000円
アンプヘッドスイチャー

 

[steve_k]

Radial Headbone, but it is not rack mountable. It does have the Slingshot feature so you can sit it in a rack shelf and use any footswitch to activate it. Don't think it can be Midi controlled though.

Steve

 

[Code001]

As far as I know, the only thing currently available on the market, in rackmount form, is the CAE piece.

 

[Digital Jams]

As far as I know, the only thing currently available on the market, in rackmount form, is the CAE piece.

Only one I know of myself.

 

[rsm]

Radial's Headbone (pedal) or the CAE switcher is all I know of as well.

http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/custom_products_and_power_.htm

Not what you want, and will change the sound, but what if you went to 2 or 4 2x12 cabs? More pieces, but easier to transport?

 

[Gainzilla]

I could have sworn that Mario at Axess made something but theres nothing there

Id be willing to bet its something that could be custom built easily without a crazy upcharge..

 

[tcrash]

Axess head switcher, not rack mountable and discontinued. But was a great unit.

 

[DiezelMonster]

Brad

the mesa high gain amp switcher is also discontinued I thought? but as far as I know it did keep a load on the head, I'm positive that was what it did. I had one breifly about 4 years ago but never actually used it hahahaha
I hope ya get somethin!


anyhow, if you EVER sell that roadcase with the 2 heads and rack in it, please put me in line for it?

thanks

C

 

[amiller]

Not rack mount and requires two boxes. Here are the links:


Palmer E-Frog - $140.00
http://www.palmergear.com/pga02.shtml

Palmer PGA-01 - $505.00
http://www.palmergear.com/pga01.shtml

 

[muudrock]

This looks interesting..

Ultimate Head Switcher
Switch between two heads and one UA (sold separately) and one speaker cabinet or just the cabinet without the UA.

Want to use two heads but have no room for two cabs or space to transport?

Try the Ultimate Head Switcher. The build is superior to other head switchers on the market and will keep both heads under constant load to keep your valuable amps safe. Two heads, one UA and one cab and you have an unparalleled tone factory at your toes and fingers.

Try our unique Ultimate Head Switcher to run two heads into one UA and your favorite cabinet. Did you get that? You only need ONE attenuator and ONE cabinet to run TWO heads. No more carting multiple 4-12” cabinets and trying to find room on stage and in the van. Just use your favorite cab and single UA to harness all the tonal possibilities of a dual amp rig in half the space and weight!

The Ultimate Head Switcher
Base Price: $299.00

 

[cyndicate]

Radial Headbone, but it is not rack mountable. It does have the Slingshot feature so you can sit it in a rack shelf and use any footswitch to activate it. Don't think it can be Midi controlled though.

Steve

This.

I think with the Slingshot feature you can plug a 1/4 jack into it, and then use one of your RJM function switches to control this. I just recently go the RJM-16 but I haven't tested it out with the Headbone I just picked up. So if it works like I think it will, it would then be midi-switchable

You also run into the problem of switching the FX loop, but I think with the RJM switcher you can easily resolve that.

 

[Krinkle]

Brad,

Be careful, the Roland is a SS amp and the Herb is a tube. There are possible issues when switching these heads into the same load. Radial builds a VT (vacuum tube), SS (solid state), and a TS (tube/solid state) Headbone. You would obviously need the TS. Make sure that any other switchers you look at can do tube and ss.

By the way, there was a Roland JC120H head at the local music store that recently sold for $395.00 Canadian. It looked to be in decent shape, was that a good price?

Darrin

 

[kannibul]

I would love to use two heads into my 2x12" cab, but the thing that keeps me from doing it is not being able to have effects in the loops of the amps OR use the onboard reverb of the Landry.

My understanding is that when you switch heads, there can be no signal still going through the head you switched from. That means no reverb, no delay, etc... I guess the only way around this is a wet/dry rig?

That sucks.

I think that's for the ones that don't have a strong dummy load...it risks blowing the resistors and your amp.

If it's got a decent dummy load...and you don't mind your tails being cut off, I don't see how it'd be a hard thing to make.

Maybe, get a weber mass, and a pair of high-current DPDT relays - on the surface...sounds easy enough to make...

Granted that'd be for two tube amps.

SS amps don't need anything - just unplug 'em.

 

[King Guitar]

Radial Headbone, but it is not rack mountable. It does have the Slingshot feature so you can sit it in a rack shelf and use any footswitch to activate it. Don't think it can be Midi controlled though.

Steve

This.

I think with the Slingshot feature you can plug a 1/4 jack into it, and then use one of your RJM function switches to control this. I just recently go the RJM-16 but I haven't tested it out with the Headbone I just picked up. So if it works like I think it will, it would then be midi-switchable

You also run into the problem of switching the FX loop, but I think with the RJM switcher you can easily resolve that.

Using a Switchblade GL as my switcher/mixer fyi...

 

[cyndicate]

Radial Headbone, but it is not rack mountable. It does have the Slingshot feature so you can sit it in a rack shelf and use any footswitch to activate it. Don't think it can be Midi controlled though.

Steve

This.

I think with the Slingshot feature you can plug a 1/4 jack into it, and then use one of your RJM function switches to control this. I just recently go the RJM-16 but I haven't tested it out with the Headbone I just picked up. So if it works like I think it will, it would then be midi-switchable

You also run into the problem of switching the FX loop, but I think with the RJM switcher you can easily resolve that.

Using a Switchblade GL as my switcher/mixer fyi...

Does the switchblade do relays?

 

[Zachman]

http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/amp_selectors.htm

Features:
• Safely and silently switch up to 4 amplifiers into the same cabinet or load device!
• Unique priority circuit only allows 1 amp on at a time!
• Protection circuitry safely guards unselected amps.
• Provides multiple line level outputs with a level control for each amp to drive effects and power amps.
• Front panel LED's indicate status of each amp.
• Super low noise buffer circuit provides impedance matching and eliminates passive instrument input.
• Remote controlled from simple latching footswitches or controlled by a wide variety of MIDI system controllers utilizing latching footswitch type functions.
• Remote power supply for lowest noise.
• 2 auxiliary line outputs. Useful for mixing external preamps with the selected amp.
• Line level volume loop can be used to remote control line level volume or for patching in noise reduction units, effects, etc.

Benefits:
• Sonically transparent passive switching elements provide unsurpassed clarity while uniquely switching up to four amplifiers (one at a time) into a common speaker system or load device.
• Easily allows for the popular system configuration of a center dry cabinet with stereo effects cabinets (a stereo power amp and effects would be required). See diagram.
• Provides a line out for each amp regardless type. No need to modify amps for line outs and effects loops. Even non-master volume amps work fine!!
• Eliminates the need for multiple speaker cabinets and/or load devices when using multiple amps.
• No elaborate switching system required. Simple latching footswitches are all that are needed to control status of amps.

There is also Skrydstrup R&D: http://www.skrydstrup.com/as44.htm
Our new AS44 Amp Switcher is truly a unique product.

4 amplifier heads can be used with only ONE cabinet.
In addition you have 4 control switch functions for remote switching i.e. channels on your amplifiers.

All outputs on the AS44 Amp Switcher are floating stereo TRS jacks, ensuring that no ground loops and/or hum/noise will occur when using this unit. Even the Line Outs on the rear are floating stereo TRS jacks.

The AS44 is fully Midi controllable, and recognizes both Midi Program Change and Midi Control Change commands.

EDIT: Oops, I just realized the 1 space requirement, but figured I'd leave the info here-- in case others may find it useful.

Brad, I know others are talking about how the unused amps don't need load protection, but there is NO WAY that I would risk my valuable amps with something other than the CAE, Skrydstrup, or the now discontinued Egnater Amp Selector. While technically the guys who are saying that the unused amp doesn't need a load are correct, one spike may be all it takes to be facing a rather inconvenient situation at a gig, and/or a potentially disastrous repair bill.

 

[duesentrieb]

I'm using the Radial Headbone with my two Marshalls, one of them has a loop and a delay. I just wait long enough before I switch back to the non-delayed head.

 

[King Guitar]

I'm using the Radial Headbone with my two Marshalls, one of them has a loop and a delay. I just wait long enough before I switch back to the non-delayed head.

Would the damage if there was any be to the the non delayed head only?

 

[duesentrieb]

With a long delay in the loop and not waiting long enough one could either damage the relay inside the headbone or the output transformer, Brad.
Since I have an analogue delay with 350ms and only one repeat I just have to wait a short second, you know