Randall out Marshall In

[fek]

The Salvation MDA board has changed the game for me...It adds back what is missing....And there's more to come on that front!!

Does this mean that when you picked up that Boogie not too long ago and you could feel and hear a little extra magic that the MTS didn't have, that the new pres / density board adds that into the RM100?

I am happy with my RM's and hate pulling the chassis on them, but I would do it again if warranted.

 

[Lord Toneking]

My tone is not grail. But, it satisfies me and the panties fall. That's all that counts.

That's definately sig worthy

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Glad you are digging the TSL! It's all about the tone YOU want...Sounds like you've found it...

I'll add that you are wise to keep some MTS around....The beam is fixed upon you and Ray now...There is no escape...

I am obviously an MTS guy....I seriously considered leaving not that long ago too....I was finding mods sounding too much alike and other brand amps sounding more powerful and rich...But now, I've gone all in again...My collection of 14 modules all get used regularly but it was not cheap as I once hoped...The Salvation MDA board has changed the game for me...It adds back what is missing....And there's more to come on that front!!
MTS as a product line is dead and modders are the benefactors for sure...Gary is right there...But as a studio guy, MTS is a better option for me than Kemper or Axe at the moment as I can't get away from tubes just yet...It's not a cheap endeavor but it saves valuable space and makes it easy to travel with many tones...I don't go after every new mod anymore...That helps a lot on cost...

In the end, we all love guitars, amps and tones...I just dig talking about it with you guys....Everyone's journey is different and it's fun to read how wild these journeys can be...

11 second clips are acceptable BTW!!!

MDA vs. Foglifter... which came first? In this case I am actually inclined to try out the salvation if they became available for shipping from within the states. I also like the idea of being able to make it switchable. Also agree that a lot of mods sound the same (even by the modders) but then again, a great deal of amps also sound similar so really, maybe that is an unfair expectation to have for MTS. Overall i still prefer a real amp with it's own dedicated preamp and power section because really all the tone shaping in MTS pre's have to take place between V2 and V3. V1 is hardwired in the amp and V4 is essentially hardwired as well being the phase inverter. (unless i am mistaken but looking at the modules and how the first tube is for the most part bypassed in the lower gain modules, leads me to this conclusion). Nice to have the flexibility power tube wise though for modules that might sound better with 6L6's or 6550, KT88's etc etc.

 

[Mailman1971]

Just read thru your posts....I agree as well.
I was a big time MTS guy several years ago. Great fun amps to play with. They sound good....
but the ADDICTIVE levels of the modules....then the modding of the modules....
just got way too pricey.
Owned 5 MTS amps thru the years. 2 Lynch box, Randall RM100 that I modded, Egnater mod 100 and Mod 50.
Sold off My MTS rig....bought a Diezel VH4 and still have plenty of money left over.
But again tone is subjective and if your digging what you got....thats the one.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Anyone getting into MTS now is in the glory days as the new mods and the foglifter/MDA are really changing the game but things are always getting more expensive as the latest round of mods are coming in at $25-$50 more than the previous generation. Good Luck anyone doing the MTS thing, Just find your tone and then stop if you can...

This is key right here.. buy a module for 150$ add a mod @ 185$ = 335$ That's on the cheaper side.. i see modules going for 425$ now in the classifieds on the MTS forum. 425$! I guess there are lots of preamps that go for higher bucks too but then i think to myself, couple hundred more and i have peavey or DSL/TSL.. Fill 2 more slots on your amp and ouch! Might as well have just bought a used Splawn or JMP . You also need to ask yourself how many different voices you need. I set my EQ the same on most amps i play.. i play english flavoured stuff... why would i need 4 of the same?

 

[Jdguitar]

Anyone getting into MTS now is in the glory days as the new mods and the foglifter/MDA are really changing the game but things are always getting more expensive as the latest round of mods are coming in at $25-$50 more than the previous generation. Good Luck anyone doing the MTS thing, Just find your tone and then stop if you can...

This is key right here.. buy a module for 150$ add a mod @ 185$ = 335$ That's on the cheaper side.. i see modules going for 425$ now in the classifieds on the MTS forum. 425$! I guess there are lots of preamps that go for higher bucks too but then i think to myself, couple hundred more and i have peavey or DSL/TSL.. Fill 2 more slots on your amp and ouch! Might as well have just bought a used Splawn or JMP . You also need to ask yourself how many different voices you need. I set my EQ the same on most amps i play.. i play english flavoured stuff... why would i need 4 of the same?

It sounds like are the guy who doesn't need many voicings. There are lots of us that need the extra voicings. I recently was at the local casino and watched a great cover band. They played a wide variety of music. The guitarist was excellent but his tone ruined some songs for me. He was playing through a Mark V which was great for some tunes but just didn't work for others. Now if he had MTS he could of stepped on the foot pedal when needed and got much more of a classic Marshall tone or Vox.

 

[Mattfig]

The Salvation MDA board has changed the game for me...It adds back what is missing....And there's more to come on that front!!

Does this mean that when you picked up that Boogie not too long ago and you could feel and hear a little extra magic that the MTS didn't have, that the new pres / density board adds that into the RM100?

I am happy with my RM's and hate pulling the chassis on them, but I would do it again if warranted.

Yes. And pulling the chassis is a piece of cake as is the replacement...I'm happy to help if you need it...

I sold that Boogie...It was an FJA modded Roadster and MTS (with the MDA board) had tones as good (hard to be better) and then the variety of the other MTS preamps...

I am a full believer in the MDA boards and you can still go back to stock with it...So you know what is up and can hear the difference...The presence doesn't have a frequency change but rather a change in its usability...It is alive through the spectrum whereas now the noticeable effect is about 1 or 2 o'clock...To be honest, I have also learned that using an Aphex exciter (w/big bottom) in the loop nails the deep voicing MTS lacks...And I have tried a lot of products there too...

MTS is not cost effective...I will NEVER argue that...But yes, tone effective...

Oh yeah, zepp, did you feel a twinge a moment ago? I turned the beam straight on you for a minute...

 

[fuzzyguitars]

kemper or axe fx 2

JUST KIDDING

i have a kemper and I still own my egnater modular stuff.

the modular stuff sounds phenomenal through my two notes torpedo

 

[Mattfig]

kemper or axe fx 2

JUST KIDDING

i have a kemper and I still own my egnater modular stuff.

the modular stuff sounds phenomenal through my two notes torpedo

Funny you say that...I just picked up a Torpedo Live and MTS is insane through it...Plus you have the option to run it silent or with a cab...MTS coupled with Two Notes is deadly for studio work...

I know I'll eventually eat it and get a digital setup....Just kinda waiting to see how the competition shakes out....Kemper seems cool as hell as does the Axe FX but digital preamps just aren't my thing yet- probably my own mental block on it...

 

[Shiny_Surface]

It sounds like are the guy who doesn't need many voicings. There are lots of us that need the extra voicings. I recently was at the local casino and watched a great cover band. They played a wide variety of music. The guitarist was excellent but his tone ruined some songs for me. He was playing through a Mark V which was great for some tunes but just didn't work for others. Now if he had MTS he could of stepped on the foot pedal when needed and got much more of a classic Marshall tone or Vox.

I thought you were going to mention the cover guitarist was using a single channel amp but a Mark V should handle a cover gig fairly well I would think.

Regardless of the module(s) you're still imparting the stationary MTS poweramp tonal signature on the final tone as well as the cabinet/speakers which would limit the accuracy of whatever the module is trying to emulate.

Honestly for a Casino cover gig I would just use a modeler.

 

[Jdguitar]

It sounds like are the guy who doesn't need many voicings. There are lots of us that need the extra voicings. I recently was at the local casino and watched a great cover band. They played a wide variety of music. The guitarist was excellent but his tone ruined some songs for me. He was playing through a Mark V which was great for some tunes but just didn't work for others. Now if he had MTS he could of stepped on the foot pedal when needed and got much more of a classic Marshall tone or Vox.

I thought you were going to mention the cover guitarist was using a single channel amp but a Mark V should handle a cover gig fairly well I would think.

Regardless of the module(s) you're still imparting the stationary MTS poweramp tonal signature on the final tone as well as the cabinet/speakers which would limit the accuracy of whatever the module is trying to emulate.



Honestly for a Casino cover gig I would just use a modeler.

The Mark V does have some great tones, but this band was covering great music from the last 5 decades. The guitarist would of been playing with his amp more than playing guitar to get tones in the ballpark of the variety of music they were playing. But yes, a modeller would do the job well.

 

[zepplin490]

kemper or axe fx 2

JUST KIDDING

i have a kemper and I still own my egnater modular stuff.

the modular stuff sounds phenomenal through my two notes torpedo

Funny you say that...I just picked up a Torpedo Live and MTS is insane through it...Plus you have the option to run it silent or with a cab...MTS coupled with Two Notes is deadly for studio work...

I know I'll eventually eat it and get a digital setup....Just kinda waiting to see how the competition shakes out....Kemper seems cool as hell as does the Axe FX but digital preamps just aren't my thing yet- probably my own mental block on it...

Figg you scare me at times I was just about 45 mins ago until now Learning the Randy Rhoads solo from "over the mountain" I was of course using the JF XTC SE the best lead module in all of mts! Its one of the lucky few that i cherish enough to stay in the stable... I think the beam is pulling at my heart strings at the moment.. even though ive gotten rid of most of my MTS amps and modules and every time I got to the MTS forum and check out the modules being bought and sold i have to use my A.A. serenity prayer
-mp-

 

[Mattfig]

lol....It works like this...Other amps will impress on raw power and you will think you were missing something chasing mods...

Well, you were chasing something but it isn't in the TSL either....

You will probably find it temporarily in all major and some boutique brands....

It is Your Tone and is an elusive creature rarely captured long before escape...

But, at the end of the day, MTS will satisfy the longest if you are a lifelong tone chaser which I am getting the sense you are....You would probably be blown away by a Kemper too....But you'll come back to MTS....muhahahaha,,,,,They all do!!! muhahahahahahah!!!!!

 

[extrageration]

I'm a long time owner of a British built AC30 who just recently got into MTS (Egnater Mod 50).

My Egnater VX Module simply does not match the sound of my Vox. That being said, I can pair the VX module with a mid to high gain module that sounds a lot closer to a Marshall than any pedal I've tried. For me, whatever tone sacrifices I hear (which I believe are different for everyone) are worth the flexibility I get with MTS.

I've not reached full MTS addiction stage and bought 12 modules so maybe I've just not hit rock bottom yet.
I did buy an M4 from HughJasol (Good Seller) to go with my Mod 50 so maybe that's the first sign...

As I see it, use what sounds good and works for you!