Recommend me a Delay in front of my amp -no fx loop

[Gainzilla]

What kind of stuff do you play?

Nothing ultra high gain. Some classic rock and some 80's metalish stuff

Then its kind of a toss up IMO, obviously the Classic rock stuff is better served with the more analog/vintage stuff like the Trex or the Carbon Copy or even the Maxxon. The 80's stuff would do better with something along the lines of the L6 or the Boss dd20, theres something about the digital crispness that sounds better to me in that capacity IMO..

Kage

 

[cyndicate]

So far it looks like the Carbon Copy seems to be a really good choice based on the price, but the T-Rex sounds great based on the clips I could find and the tap tempo seems like a big +. I'll probably just have to go find one to test out in person, probably head over to TM sometime next week.

 

[MARK1970]

Check out their delay pedalboard.

 

[stratotone]

What do they mean by designed for in front of amp? Other than line vs instrument level, it's bs.

If you run a delay in the front of a high gain amp, I don't care what the manufacturer tells you, the delays are going to smear all over the place because you're distorting the signal AND the delays.

Sorry Pete, but I'll disagree a little bit - there are a couple of other factors that come into play. (This has nothing to do with the Line6. I owned one but don't really know much about it and never an it into a dirty amp...but just talking in general.)

For example, if the delay is a ducking delay, you'll have less problem running into a dirty amp because they delay won't be piling on top of your 'live' playing as much. Something like an echoplex doesn't have a ducking feature per se, but the way it reacts to the input results in kind of a natural ducking. Also, IMO, a delay that puts out a narrower frequency range will smear less...for the same reason...less frequency overlap with your 'live' playing. So a tape, analog, or analog-sim type of delay with a narrower freq response will work better than a full-range digital delay. Again, IMO.

And last but not least, how your amp is set and how it reacts to the input will affect things too. If it's real sensitive to input, then as the delay trails off, it will clean up a LOT as if you were rolling the guitar volume way down.

Yeah, it will never be as 'clean' as running the echo in the loop or post-amp, but it isn't a totally lost cause. It all adds up and IMO, every guitar->delay->amp combination will be different. And that doesn't even take settings into consideration, really.

Never thought of that... I've never really done the vintage tape delay into a old marshall, mainly just basic analog and digital delays in the front of a fairly modern (JCM 800 or newer) amp. Hated how it sounded too.

I stand corrected. Actually gives me a little hope as one of my next gear purchases is going to be some sort of vintage style marshall, just debating between getting a 'real' one, a reissue, or find a Metro kit that someone either built and got tired of or goofed it and wants to get rid of it cheap/quick.

Pete

 

[cyndicate]

So far it looks like the Carbon Copy seems to be a really good choice based on the price, but the T-Rex sounds great based on the clips I could find and the tap tempo seems like a big +. I'll probably just have to go find one to test out in person, probably head over to TM sometime next week.

Check it out. The T-Rex, using the Tap Tempo to keep in time with the backing track-

https://soundclick.com/share?songid=5768227

Cool thanks for the clip!

 

[Digital Jams]

Just get a HK Redbox and run a wet/dry rig...of course I would do this just because I loves me some extra sauce on the side

 

[cyndicate]

Just get a HK Redbox and run a wet/dry rig...of course I would do this just because I loves me some extra sauce on the side

I was thinking of going back to doing a W/D

How would I do it if I am using a Ultimate Attenuator without a Line out, but I have a Hot Plate? Can I set the Amp to 4 ohms and plug in both the UA and Hot plate to both speaker jacks, using Hotplate for Load only and line out. Both Cabs are 8 ohms

 

[Digital Jams]

Just get a HK Redbox and run a wet/dry rig...of course I would do this just because I loves me some extra sauce on the side

I was thinking of going back to doing a W/D

How would I do it if I am using a Ultimate Attenuator without a Line out, but I have a Hot Plate? Can I set the Amp to 4 ohms and plug in both the UA and Hot plate to both speaker jacks, using Hotplate for Load only and line out. Both Cabs are 8 ohms

The redbox goes between your speaker out of the amp and your cab so.........

Amp speaker out---------redbox-------speaker out to cab
Redbox line out-----------fx box-----fx return to power amp---------poweramp out------wet cab

 

[Digital Jams]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I owned the T Rex and it did nothing for me compared to the DE-7. More expensive doesn't always mean better

PS: FWIW, a lot people find the Carbon Copy to be too dark and muddy. I know that daneyo didn't care for his...

 

[cyndicate]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

 

[Zachman]

 

[ratter]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

AFAIK, the HP doesn't have to be attenuating to provide a line out. In other words, you could run amp-->hp-->UA, where the hp is just providing the line out and then passing on the speaker out through to the UA for attenuation. That's essentially where the Red Box would fit, too. I believe Suhr also makes a similar in-line line-out box. Or you could mod your amp for a line out. I've been told it's very simple.

 

[Zachman]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

What about using a Suhr line out box w/ your UA???

 

[cyndicate]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

AFAIK, the HP doesn't have to be attenuating to provide a line out. In other words, you could run amp-->hp-->UA, where the hp is just providing the line out and then passing on the speaker out through to the UA for attenuation. That's essentially where the Red Box would fit, too. I believe Suhr also makes a similar in-line line-out box. Or you could mod your amp for a line out. I've been told it's very simple.

Interesting, sounds like it should the way you described it, anyone know if this would work for sure without me damaging anything?

 

[cyndicate]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

What about using a Suhr line out box w/ your UA???

I would rather just stick with what I have and find a way to use it. If that doesn't work I'll probably just consider buying the Suhr Lineout.

 

[cyndicate]

If only it wasn't so expensive

 

[degenaro]

Shit did not address your fucking question

You dont need both attenuators, just use the HP like you would but take the line out to run to the fx..........

What if I want the UA to do the attenuation, and the HP to do the line level, since my UA doesn't have a line out.. is it safe to do it the way I was thinking?

AFAIK, the HP doesn't have to be attenuating to provide a line out. In other words, you could run amp-->hp-->UA, where the hp is just providing the line out and then passing on the speaker out through to the UA for attenuation. That's essentially where the Red Box would fit, too. I believe Suhr also makes a similar in-line line-out box. Or you could mod your amp for a line out. I've been told it's very simple.

What hw said...at last the first part.

 

[degenaro]

Interesting, sounds like it should the way you described it, anyone know if this would work for sure without me damaging anything?

Yup...it'll be fine run amp-HP set to 0dB-into the UA.

 

[Zachman]

If only it wasn't so expensive

Ya.... Best of luck w/ your quest.