Recommend me a pup!

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Hey guys,


Can anyone recommend new pup for my guitar?

at the moment i have a Painkiller in a Maghogony guitar.

Not quite cutting it for me. needs more...high end?

Can anyone recomend me anything? my favourite combo is a Duncan Distorian through a Alder guitar,

like the sounds of 80's thrash, 80's nwobhm and 80' hard rock

Halford
 
The duncan distortion neck model is pretty cool. They use to offer it as a bridge model years ago, it was called the "seymourizer" or something like that. It's still got plenty of output but less beef and a bit more cut than the distortion bridge to my ears.
 
Cheers guys for the recommendations... will look into them all.

the motorcitypickups sound interesting!

which one?

The painkiller didnt do it for me in a maghogony body. not sure why? just sounds a bit muddy?

Halford
 
Muddy and not bright enough?? wow... that's surprising. I've consistently heard those were strong in the mids, rolled off bass, and generally QUITE bright. Out of curiosity, what guitar did/do you have it in?
 
studiojig":11odvyvi said:
Muddy and not bright enough?? wow... that's surprising. I've consistently heard those were strong in the mids, rolled off bass, and generally QUITE bright. Out of curiosity, what guitar did/do you have it in?

Agreed, if you think the Painkiller isn't bright enough, I would say the problem is not in the pickup. What kind of amp are you playing through?
 
If you're guitar is still too dark with a Painkiller, you might actually want to go with a LOWER output pickup. Yes I said it...lower. As a pickup is wound hotter, it gets darker, more compressed with less highs. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing, that's just what hotter pickups do. And I know BKP's are some of the most open and uncompressed high output pickups...but they still do compress and get darker when they get that hot, just a lot less than other brands.

A lower output pickup will be brighter, with less compression and greater chime and note separation. Especially if you're getting an shit ton of gain out of your amp. Many times hot pickups thru super high gain amps can make your tone sound smaller. I hear it all the time at our shop.

If you want to stick with BKP, try the Emerald.
 
move the painkiller to the alder guitar and put a cold sweat in the mahogany one
the cold sweat is brighter and sharper than the painkiller, with a less fat midrange
it's like a duncan custom, gibson 500t and bill lawrence crossover, but MUCH better, clearer and more organic than all of them (yes, I had all of them, including the painkiller)
 
the JB has a much less articulated high end than the painkiller
the PK is a lot clearer in everything
I don't think an Aldrich would do what he wants either
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for your help and comments! all much! appreciated.

now the guitar i have it in is a Kramer Nightswan. The amp i have it going into is a 5150 (green chanel)

Yes the painkiller does not suit the guitar at all imo. the guitar came with a Duncan Full Shred. which is a middle output? pup, sounded good but thought i could get something better for it. (hence trying the painkiller)

the Duncan Distorition/Alder combo is sweet.

the Nightswan is not sounding good at the moment, (well not at the moment, hasnt been full stop!) dark, mudy etc

now all i have spare here with me is a Custom, i could try that in the nightswan?

But thought id see what you guys recomend to get me where i want to be with the nightswan!

thanks guys!

Halford
 
luxxtone":9gy56otb said:
If you're guitar is still too dark with a Painkiller, you might actually want to go with a LOWER output pickup. Yes I said it...lower. As a pickup is wound hotter, it gets darker, more compressed with less highs. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing, that's just what hotter pickups do. And I know BKP's are some of the most open and uncompressed high output pickups...but they still do compress and get darker when they get that hot, just a lot less than other brands.

A lower output pickup will be brighter, with less compression and greater chime and note separation. Especially if you're getting an shit ton of gain out of your amp. Many times hot pickups thru super high gain amps can make your tone sound smaller. I hear it all the time at our shop.

If you want to stick with BKP, try the Emerald.

+1

I've always heard the Painkillers are ultra tight so if they're muddy I'd definitely try something low output. I've been gravitating towards the lower output stuff and my tone is bigger, tighter, & clearer than the hotter stuff I had. Not to say hot can't be really cool. Gotta love the BK Ceramic Warpig. Anyway, if low output doesn't work I'd sell the axe. Some of the boomiest guitars I've played have been mahogany and that can lead down an aggravating, never ending pickup quest when you want a guitar that just just doesn't have "it" to be tight and crisp. Guitars like that can turn to mud really quick with a hot pickup or a pickup that's overly fat in the lows or mids. I had a mahogany axe that I eventually sold because no matter what pickups I had in there it was just mud. I had to boost all my amps with the this guitar to get the clarity & tightness I needed. If not, mud city. With my other axes I didn't have to boost at all. It sucked because it played like a dream, but it was mud central for the types of tones I I like. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
fearhk213":3k703nyg said:
luxxtone":3k703nyg said:
If you're guitar is still too dark with a Painkiller, you might actually want to go with a LOWER output pickup. Yes I said it...lower. As a pickup is wound hotter, it gets darker, more compressed with less highs. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing, that's just what hotter pickups do. And I know BKP's are some of the most open and uncompressed high output pickups...but they still do compress and get darker when they get that hot, just a lot less than other brands.

A lower output pickup will be brighter, with less compression and greater chime and note separation. Especially if you're getting an shit ton of gain out of your amp. Many times hot pickups thru super high gain amps can make your tone sound smaller. I hear it all the time at our shop.

If you want to stick with BKP, try the Emerald.

+1

I've always heard the Painkillers are ultra tight so if they're muddy I'd definitely try something low output. I've been gravitating towards the lower output stuff and my tone is bigger, tighter, & clearer than the hotter stuff I had. Not to say hot can't be really cool. Gotta love the BK Ceramic Warpig. Anyway, if low output doesn't work I'd sell the axe. Some of the boomiest guitars I've played have been mahogany and that can lead down an aggravating, never ending pickup quest when you want a guitar that just just doesn't have "it" to be tight and crisp. Guitars like that can turn to mud really quick with a hot pickup or a pickup that's overly fat in the lows or mids. I had a mahogany axe that I eventually sold because no matter what pickups I had in there it was just mud. I had to boost all my amps with the this guitar to get the clarity & tightness I needed. If not, mud city. With my other axes I didn't have to boost at all. It sucked because it played like a dream, but it was mud central for the types of tones I I like. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.

cheers for the info!

Will see if i can swap the Painkiller locally for something and try that out and also try a lower output pup.

The axe i just use at home, so nice to play, i wont be getting rid of it, but wish it can sound good to use in my band!

Halford
 
"Dark and muddy" with a PK ?That must be a first ;) !Is it a Bridge PK?Anyway,i have one in my PRS Standart (all Mahogany) and it's everything but "dark & muddy" ..
 
viking22":9fiz5nm3 said:
"Dark and muddy" with a PK ?That must be a first ;) !Is it a Bridge PK?Anyway,i have one in my PRS Standart (all Mahogany) and it's everything but "dark & muddy" ..

hey man

yeah i know it sounds odd, but this is what i get. and its not just the amp, i have tried on another amp too. maybe its the pup? maybe its the guitar? maybe its me? but either way...will try a new pup first :thumbsup:

Will put the Custom i have here in and get back to you's

Cheers for everyones input, learnt a few things!

Halford
 
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