Recording poll!!

[MKibanez]

Hi, would be interesting to know what you guys used to record you big Rock heavy guitar sound? I mean trad recording (not with emulators like Axe etc). You can post pics,sound samples, tell how you place the mics etc etc etc

For my part I'm pretty new to guitar recording. I made a few test that I'll post a sample later (don't have it here) and I used 2 mics blend together, 1 SM 57 and 1 audix i5 in a traditional position (near the grill cloth at 2/3 from the center of the speaker), goes in a M-audio fast track usb interface ans goes in Sonar X1.

Thanks for sharing

 

[reverymike]

This is a shot of the control room during the tracking of guitars on my latest album. For the 'big rock tone,' we used the 1971 Friedman Marshall with the SLO - each going into a 4x12, each with 2 mics on them. One pass was recorded, and then I doubled it. Then, we used the Bogner paired with a VOX AC30 in the exact same way as the other pair. . .recorded, then doubled. Those tracks together create a Big Rock tone used for the main rhythm tracks. For solos and overdubs, I mainly used the SLO with the Bogner - with a SDE3000 on the paired signal.

 

[Revson]

My setup is usually pretty simple. In the attached clip I used a Peavey 6505+ (lead channel) into a Mesa traditional 4x12, mic'd up with a single sm57 about a half-inch off the grill and pointed at the dust cap edge. It was pretty straight on, but it did have a slight angle to it. (Hint: get some Vic Firth -or similar- iso headphones for mic placement)

The Peavey had its gain around 10-11 o'clock and the other knobs were somewhere around noon. Presence and Resonance were at 4 o'clock and the post-gain was 8 o'clock. The Peavey tracks were doubled and panned hard left and right.

Up the middle is a tripled track using a '78 JMP SL/A through the same cab and mic setup. It wasn't jumpered and all the knobs were at 10, except the gain 1 knob was at 3:00. A PPIMV mod keeps it from shaking down the walls. It only comes in during the really heavy parts and goes away during the verse.

All guitars are filtered up to around 70Hz and down to about 7kHz, I think. There's also a few dB sucked out of the 500Hz range and a boost around 200Hz (not entirely sure, doing this post from memory). I probably pulled some out from 3kHz too. That's the nasal headache frequency.

The lead guitar is the 6505+ again, but through a Marshall 1966 2x12 and mic'd with an Audix i5. Lead channel again with gain at 1:00, bass at 10:00, mids at noon, and highs at 1:30. That track was sent to a stereo delay set to quarter and 8th notes.

The rhythm guitars were some sort of Jackson with passive pickups, tuned to drop B (I think). Lead guitar was an LTD V with EMGs tuned the same. That should be about it for this one.

 

[jlbaxe]

This is a shot of the control room during the tracking of guitars on my latest album. For the 'big rock tone,' we used the 1971 Friedman Marshall with the SLO - each going into a 4x12, each with 2 mics on them. One pass was recorded, and then I doubled it. Then, we used the Bogner paired with a VOX AC30 in the exact same way as the other pair. . .recorded, then doubled. Those tracks together create a Big Rock tone used for the main rhythm tracks. For solos and overdubs, I mainly used the SLO with the Bogner - with a SDE3000 on the paired signal.

can't get anymore rock than that.

 

[paulyc]

WOW ! The control room of death ! Awesome ! Do you need to phase flip any of those amps to play at the same time together ?

 

[reverymike]

Oh yeah, we changed the phase now and then depending on the combination. Any time you add or subtract a gain stage, the phase will flip, so if a boost on the amp was added or a channel changed, we needed to check the phase. We kept it straight though.

And, we only tracked two amps at a time.

Should sound HUGE when it's all mixed out and mastered.

 

[cujo]

Quad tracked ? Doesn't it get muddy? Or are a pair of them turned down in the mix ?

 

[cujo]

This is a shot of the control room during the tracking of guitars on my latest album. For the 'big rock tone,' we used the 1971 Friedman Marshall with the SLO - each going into a 4x12, each with 2 mics on them. One pass was recorded, and then I doubled it. Then, we used the Bogner paired with a VOX AC30 in the exact same way as the other pair. . .recorded, then doubled. Those tracks together create a Big Rock tone used for the main rhythm tracks. For solos and overdubs, I mainly used the SLO with the Bogner - with a SDE3000 on the paired signal.

Where can we hear the tracks ?

 

[reverymike]

The quads are only for certain parts of the songs, and I'm pretty sure the tracks won't all be at the same level. We spent a good amount of time though making sure the parts were played very cleanly and precisely, so there is little mud.

I'll post links here at Rig Talk once it's mixed and mastered. After that, you'll be able to buy it online as well. Hopefully, you'll be hearing it on the radio this summer.

 

[spguitar]

Diezel Herbert + Shure Beta 57 slightly off axis near the center of the cone into my Presonus Firestudio

https://soundcloud.com/#burnthelies/dem ... ly-wake-up

https://soundcloud.com/#burnthelies/if- ... pear-again

 

[cujo]

We usually run one head into one cabinet 2 mics
and then another take diff head or same diff settings same way.
Then all center tracks done with a diff amp.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

I track guitars individually on each track. I like to layer but I just re-rack it, arm a different track and hit record. I record way more tracks than I'll need but its good to have them during mix down.

I use the RR trick and double/triple track solos with main C one paned a bit left and one a bit right.

I use SM57 on the cab(s) and have M Audio FireWire 1814 and record to PC with Sonar but have been thinking on protools for a long time but I haven't been recording a lot lately.

 

[MKibanez]

Do some of you used a condensor mic to get some room ambiance?

 

[cujo]

Some say to many tracks produces mud/fizz ?

 

[MKibanez]

This is a shot of the control room during the tracking of guitars on my latest album. For the 'big rock tone,' we used the 1971 Friedman Marshall with the SLO - each going into a 4x12, each with 2 mics on them. One pass was recorded, and then I doubled it. Then, we used the Bogner paired with a VOX AC30 in the exact same way as the other pair. . .recorded, then doubled. Those tracks together create a Big Rock tone used for the main rhythm tracks. For solos and overdubs, I mainly used the SLO with the Bogner - with a SDE3000 on the paired signal.

My god, awsome!!!!

 

[kasperjensen]

Turn down the gain. That's real secret.

 

[cujo]

Totally different genre. That's like country rock. I was talking metal.

 

[paulyc]

Less is more in the gain department on any recording...not so much less that a Diezel sounds like a Fender Harvard or something, but only use as much as you need and no more. Much easier to mix, eq and avoid fizz/mud.

 

[jsp]

POD. I think I get satisfactory results, for the simplicity and ease.


Clips:

https://soundcloud.com/jsp3/jung-park-0 ... jawbreaker

 

[kasperjensen]

Totally different genre. That's like country rock. I was talking metal.

I was just talking in general. YMMV