Recording with a Palmer direct box and IR's from Axe Fx2

[Reiep]

For recording I think it's more convenient to use your DAW for the IRs. Record your guitar without the IR and then apply it. Depending on the VST you can also mix you IRs. And if you change your mind, you don't have to re-record.

I've had a Live, for playing with low volume it was perfect, but for recording I still prefer to be able to change my IRs after recording.

 

[Shark Diver]

I've had a Live, for playing with low volume it was perfect, but for recording I still prefer to be able to change my IRs after recording.

Couldn't you just run a line out from the amp and then reamp through the LIVE and change the IRs that way? At that point I'd use the software rather than the hardware, but just a thought.

 

[SynFactory]

Hey Reza I've been doing this with a Palmer PDI-03 for a long time with great results.
I also use Logic and there are better alternatives for loading ir's.
The first is a free plugin called LAConvolver: http://audio.lernvall.com/
The second one costs 50$ but it's amazing because it gives you the possibility of mixing different IR's and it's called MixIr 2:
http://www.redwirez.com/mixir2.jsp

I have to admit that, IR's are great, but at the moment they are, IMHO, not the "best" way for replacing a real cab.
Let's put in this way. An Impulse Response is like a snapshot, a photograph of a cab in an exact moment.
It's an EQ curve of a speaker in a precise moment.
That's cool and for most of the applications it's perfect.
However with double or quad tracked guitars I've started to have problems because some frequencies started to ring creating some harsh and hollow dissonances.
In recent years a new software was introduced, called Nebula.
It's used for "multi-sampling" different hardwares. From EQ to preamps, from tape recorders to mixing consoles.
And a couple of companies are offering Guitar cabs in this format.
IMO I found amazing the cabs offered by Ownhammer: http://www.ownhammer.com/

What is the difference between IR and Nebula cabs?
Like I said an IR is "static" instead the Nebula programs are taken with various input gain. So the speaker, like a real one, respond differently based on how much signal you feeding into it, with speaker breakup, ecc.

There was a really cool "shootout" between an IR, a Nebula cab and a real Cab that was really fantastic.
To have a listen you can check it out here: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/back ... -test.html

Hope this helps

 

[duesentrieb]

Reza, you can even run it off your amp's "send" (with Diezels just set the master to 0, channel vol adjusts your signal's strenght) into your DAW and add IRs and some "ambience" reverb and boost a bit the 100Hz area.

 

[duesentrieb]

Works with all amps (loop needed of course).

I prefer this method over the rec. out, Reza.

Olaf

 

[Reiep]

Thank you great answer. What do you think is the best IR software, I think doing it Space Designer (Logic) is too cumbersome. How about the two notes software? Any others that maybe come with great Ir's already?

I use LAConvolver that SynFactory indicated (great post BTW), easy to use, free, works great.

I'll give a check to Two-Notes' WoS next time I need to record something, it's not that expensive and their IRs are the best I tried until now. There is a demo, maybe you can try it.

Running the Diezel Hagen thru this setup is pretty badass, I want to refine it. Maybe run the axe Fx as outboard effects for my daw. And then run them onto the Palmer'd Hagen guitar track?

Maybe there is a way to use the cab section of the axe Fx 2 in conjunction with this?

I would rather go this way (if that's possible with the Axe FX 2) : record your amp with a load box, use IRs for the cab, and the Axe FX as insert for the post drive effects. I really don't see the point of using the Axe's cabs, except if you really prefer one the the defaults. If using a 3rd party, use it in your DAW.

Couldn't you just run a line out from the amp and then reamp through the LIVE and change the IRs that way? At that point I'd use the software rather than the hardware, but just a thought.

It's totally possible, but a bit overkill for me.

Reza, you can even run it off your amp's "send" (with Diezels just set the master to 0, channel vol adjusts your signal's strenght) into your DAW and add IRs and some "ambience" reverb and boost a bit the 100Hz area.

But you lose the poweramp's impact ou your sound Some products like Two-Notes' have a poweramp simulation though.

 

[duesentrieb]

True dat. But the poweramp's impact on the sound in modern amps like Diezels is - well - minor. Just the depth might be missing, thats why I've said . . . .

 

[Reiep]

Indeed

 

[Reiep]

Don't resist, it's a beast

I've spent all the summer with it and a little reverb & headphones as Mrs Reiep was studying.

 

[polaris20]

How are you recording with teh PDI-09 into IR's, when the PDI already has speaker emulation that can't be turned off? I'd think that that would sound weird.

 

[PBGas]

Live is awesome, Reza. I really enjoy mine for it's many uses. I have the option of running my amp into it and playing quietly at night. I actually run my 3 Bogner pedals into it for live use and it sounds awesome. I can say the same for the Two-Notes software as well. The Remote control for the Live is a nice bonus over USB on the mac as well. I've used IR's from Redwirez for several years and they work nicely as well, not as refined/clear as the Two-Notes cabs but still really, really good. I just find that I really like the Two-Notes product for what it does.

 

[JerEvil]

I use LAConvalver and Re.Cabinet. Recab now allows you to use any IR's you have. It also handles 2 cabs at a time.

 

[Rogue]

The Live is going to have a better load than the Palmer, so it will sound and feel more like your unattenuated amp. If you are not looking to make a direct setup your live rig, then a good load box or attenuator setup into the DAW is a good way to go.

Currently I use an Alex that then goes to a speaker box I made that closed box that houses a speaker and under the stairs. This way I don't have to crush the signal with full on attenuation and still be quiet enough to play (although it is still audible). Two Notes also has an attenuator to be on the market soon. I am particularly interested in that. It can serve as a complete load and their load boxes are apparently fairly impressive. That is opinion from many folks that have tried their load boxes though. I have no experience.

Two Notes also will be coming out with a new version of the plug in that is free, and you can audition and then buy the cabinets you like. You can also load 3rd party IRs, create you own IRs, and have power amp sims, EQ, compressor and some other useful settings available. Er, I should say, the way I understand the new version. Prior to it being free, other convolvers would suffice, but now that it is free (or will be), there is no reason not to go for it.

Their hardware units are not cheap, but if you like your amp and looking for direct recording/frfr, they are on top of the game.

EDIT: I'm not sure the new plug-in is free.

 

[Anonymous]

you want this

http://www.recabi.net/


affordable and awesome, the built in IRS sound great and everything is built in the plug in, now tedious deep diving, sounds great, excellent support

 

[polaris20]

How are you recording with teh PDI-09 into IR's, when the PDI already has speaker emulation that can't be turned off? I'd think that that would sound weird.

I'm going out the Palmer into the Daw and adding IR's there, doesn't sound weird..

Interesting. I guess I'll have to try it.

 

[JerEvil]

you want this

http://www.recabi.net/


affordable and awesome, the built in IRS sound great and everything is built in the plug in, now tedious deep diving, sounds great, excellent support

Bought it. It rules.

$19 well spent. I got it on one of their dirt cheap sales about 2 years ago. I think I got it for $9.

 

[JerEvil]

you want this

http://www.recabi.net/


affordable and awesome, the built in IRS sound great and everything is built in the plug in, now tedious deep diving, sounds great, excellent support

Bought it. It rules.

$19 well spent. I got it on one of their dirt cheap sales about 2 years ago. I think I got it for $9.

Any word on how to load Other IR's. I have some Redwirez, but when I go to load the IR. it never settles in, it sounds different but the GUI does not revert to the picture of the cab etc, it stays on the list of Irs in the drop down menu...

I haven't tried yet tbh. I downloaded the update but haven't recorded anything on a while.

 

[guitarobert]

Haven't tried the effects loop send method. But if you still want to use the power amp speaker output, get a regular DI that doesn't have cabinet emulation instead of using the PDI-09. It's probably possible to dial out the sound of the PDI-09, but essentially the signal is going through 2 cabinet emulations when it's used. I've been using the Whirlwind Director+, and it's working well. Any decent passive DI should work fine in between the amp and the load, allowing for a line-out to be split off from it.

For another plugin, look at the MixIR2 plugin from Redwire themselves. It has low latency, and makes it easy to drop in any IR out there, as long as it's in WAV format.

You can even "rip" IRs from existing guitar tracks using other software and drop them into the plugin. That's a bit of a rabbit hole to go down in terms of figuring out how to do it on a computer. But if you look on youtube there are some nice tutorials for it.