Renegade Preamp tube change....nice...got me, Im addicted

[lightningblues427]

So I have been swapping out different preamp tubes in my Renegade head...man this is alot of fun....

Bruce has accomplished his mission, I am hooked on the whole tube swapping dealeo...

I use the clean channel almost exclusively with some very nice high end effects running straight into the front end of the head, so I ordered a few different 12ax7's to test out and this is what I landed on giving me a nice cleaner blues tone thats great for lead.

Channel 1
V1 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - a high gain Russian tube
V2 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-C select - Chinese tube
V5 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian
V6P.I. - T-12AX7WA- Soviet

I realize these are not considered the best tubes and now that I can hear such an obviuous difference I have sent for some Tung Sol 12AX7's and will check those out when they arrive in V1 and V2 and see how they fit in for what Im looking for.

For now I have to say I am pretty impressed with what are considered by tube snobs to be not so great tubes, after trying the GT Chinese and GT Russian 12AX7 in V1 and V2 I found I liked the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2, I didnt like the harsher sound of GT Russians in both V1 and V2 and the Chinese In V1 was a little too sterile sounding, ( I found it to be a cleaner sounding tube compared to the Russian R3 ) but having the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2 along with the 12AX7WA soviet tube in the V6P.I. I got a nice clean sustain thats pretty nice for my lead heavy blues jams.

Im looking forward to trying the Tun Sol's as I have heard alot of great reviews about them being more musical, though I have also heard alot of complaints about reliability and microphonics so I will see for myself sometime later this week when they arrive.

Mullard's are also next on my list and definitely some Genelex Gold Lion's somewhere along the line I gotta know what those expensive tubes sound like because if its as big a difference as just swapping a Russian and Chinese around in just V1 and V2 I am hooked.

Channel 2
V3 V4 and V5 all have Groove Tubes GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian tubes
I dont really use channel 2 or the send and return on the effects loop so its of no consequence for me, but I had the tubes and dropped them in and will try those later.

I have to say I stumbled upon a new addiction...swapping tubes....lol and I thought I was done spending money ....can't wait to swap the power tubes...going for something very deep and clean in both channels, see if I cant make that second channel my favorite, I really like a clean tone so Im thinking maybe some KT88's or 6550's

I also wanted to say I did find a little info on tube swapping for the Renegade, but I didnt find much so if anyone cares to chime in and leave their tube recommendations and experiences with the Renegade that would make it easier for experimenters to check out for comparisons...anyway happy swapping.

 

[lightningblues427]

O.K. Im a nubbie so live and learn, changed the preamp tubes to GT-12ax7 C (Chinese) in V1 and GT-12ax7-R3's (Russian) in all other postions and like it much better, but I am amazed at the obvious difference that preamp tube changes make, still waiting on the Tung Sol's to arrive for the V1 and ? postions, and am ordering some Mullards and JJ Gold pins to see if how those sound.

I am very excited at my new found hobby and can see that I will soon have a very nice little collection of preamp tubes to play around with....done a bunch of research and now understand the whole GT selection process and where the various tubes are actually made and their brand name equivalents....very helpful to know.

Not to keen to buy into what alot of the various Online Tube Shops say in regard to certain brands, especially when they are offering their own label which is actually sourced from the same places as everyone else.

Im also a bit put off by them when they knock GT's and other brands but push their own like the second coming, makes me really question the rest of their suggestions, I understand they don't like bulk buyers and sellers and all that but its pretty obvious those companies are buying from the same 4 or 5 tube manufacturers that they are...so kinda corny if they expect me to believe their hyped offerings.

I am really happy that I started my tube amp experience with the Egnater Renegade head (my first tube amp) kinda proud to say that, the very fact that I can learn about the different tone of a whole lot of tubes in one amp is priceless, I havn't found the magic tube combo for me yet, but I know its out there and being able to buy and swap so many different tubes with the same hardware is a heck of alot easier than buying a $2000 dollar head hoping its the bomb, especially for a guy like me thats busy with family and living and end up doing most of my shopping online.

For the guys in doubt or who question going with Egnater I can only say its your dollar, if your like me and dont have a ton of tube experience and dont already know exactly what your going for, then I can't think of a better amp company to buy from, the only problem is which model to start with...lol bummer that we should be so darned spoiled these days huh ? kind of funny really.....

Sure I want to own more amps especially some really nice expensive ones, but for now I cannot imagine a better introduction to the world of tubes than the Egnater Renegade.

 

[Axisman5150]

tube rolling can be fun but can also be a rabbit hole. I like the Tung sol in V1 on most of my amps. They can be on the bright side but helps cut through the mix. The JJ803 is great too, here's a great place to buy JJ's: http://www.eurotubes.com/eurotubes-ECC8 ... 7-KT88.htm

 

[viking22]

You're indeed lucky if the Renegade is your first tube amp,lightningblues !The features are incredible,( tubemix ,easy bias = any power tubes combination is available etc.) and the sound is awesome !If you're looking for some TungSol 12AX7's , i have 5 brand new ones i bought from Thetubestore.com .I tried one for 10 minutes but the other 4 are still in their sealed boxes.PM me if you're interested. Cheers !

 

[lightningblues427]

tube rolling can be fun but can also be a rabbit hole. I like the Tung sol in V1 on most of my amps. They can be on the bright side but helps cut through the mix. The JJ803 is great too, here's a great place to buy JJ's: http://www.eurotubes.com/eurotubes-ECC8 ... 7-KT88.htm

Its all a rabbit hole for me, I have the rare privilege or curse of being able to do nothing but play guitar or work on music or work on and build guitars or work with effects, now tubes....etc. etc.
so for me its all one big rabbit hole of constant learning and experimenting and getting caught up in ridiculous and obscure details related to the music craft....often times more a curse than a blessing as those who obsess over the details know.....

how bout the time you've been up so long working on your project or gear that you cant even see anymore ...and your wearing magnifying glasses....lol or when you've spent so many countless hours refining every detail of your guitar so that it plays with the utmost precision, that you decide to make a few minor adjustments to finally take it to that unobtainable level you've been striving so long to get to only to blow it all and have to start from scratch and redo many hours of quality work...just because the illusion of perfection got the best of you...lol

Now I got another rabbit hole and can mess with tubes and tones galore, Im so happy...lol

Yep one big rabbit hole....

 

[lightningblues427]

I found a pretty good combo of 12ax7 tubes for a really nice deep clean channel and a nice sounding gain channel

I put a Tung Sol 12AX7 in the V1 and V6 PI postions for a nice clean warm sound and a GT 12AX7-C (Chinese) in the V2 position seems to really smooth out the clean channel.

I have GT 12AX7-R3's in V3, V4 and V5 which really give a nice gain to the drive channel and having the Tung Sol 12AX7 in V6 PI seems to really warm up both the Clean and Drive channels making them both more tone full with nicer lows and softer sweeter mids and highs than the other tubes I have tried in V1 and V6....this is a nice combo for the Renegade, I actually like both my Clean and Drive channels alot more now, so much so I am considering removing my drive pedals and only using the gain on the amp and modulation effects as needed. ( I didnt like the drive channels gain tone before now and was using the amp for its clean channel with drive effects), not anymore, both the clean and drive channels sound really really good.

V1 Tung Sol 12AX7
V2 GT 12AX7-C
V3 GT 12AX7-R3
V4 GT 12AX7-R3
V5 GT 12AX7-R3
V6 P.I. Tung Sol 12AX7

Got a GT-ECC83-S on the way.... thinking about where to place that one, almost dont want to mess with it the sound its so good, cant wait to get some power tubes next to see what that brings....its really quite amazing at the difference changing the preamp tubes makes........I am very happy that I bought the Renegade for sure.

 

[Len Rabinowitz]

Yeah, I had some fun with this lately on my Renegade head. Can't remember what went where, but I swapped out the stock tubes for GT's, sovteks, Ruby's, JJ's... really liked the results. The flexibility and ease of doing this is one of the nicest things about Egnater amps. Fun also, although it can be a bit of a rabbit hole for sure!

 

[lightningblues427]

Found a nice informative preamp guide that led me to switch 2 tubes around and my sound is even better for it... http://scobro.x10.mx/PreampTubeGuide.html it dosn't correspond directly to the Renegade but the info is enlightening.

I was running my preamp tubes like this:
V1 Tung Sol 12AX7
V2 GT 12AX7-C
V3 GT 12AX7-R3
V4 GT 12AX7-R3
V5 GT 12AX7-R3
V6 P.I. Tung Sol 12AX7

But after reading the above guide I switched the GT-12ax7 Chinese tube out of V2 and into the V6 P.I. position and moved the Tung Sol 12ax7 from V6 into V2 and it really warmed my clean channel up even more beautiful sounding.... this is my primary channel as I run my effects straight into the front of the amp.

Guitar-Peterson Stomp Classic tuner-Origin Effects Cali76-TX compressor-Ethos overdrive-Strymon Timeline delay-Strymon BigSky reverb-pigtronix infinity looper-Renegade head, Clean Channel settings exactly as recommended in the Renegade's manual settings guide under * Pristine *.

My amp keeps getting better.
preamp tubes now:
V1 Tung Sol 12AX7
V2 Tung Sol 12AX7
V3 GT 12AX7-R3
V4 GT 12AX7-R3
V5 GT 12AX7-R3
V6 P.I. GT-12AX7-C

This amp is so musical now I get addicted to playing it, lost for hours jamming away the tone is like deep clear water, the way the notes just sing and hang in the air is breathless and magic...unbelievable, if you would have told me changing tubes made that big a difference I wouldn't have believed it, but now that I have heard it myself my tubes list just keeps getting longer.

 

[lightningblues427]

Just got a Tungsol ECC803 S Gold pin 12AX7 preamp tube and put it in V1 of my Renegade head and I have to say the Tungsol's are the best most musical sounding tubes I have tried, heard it said that the Gold pins are more for preventing oxidization than helping with tone, but Im thinking the Gold pins might also be specially selected it sure does sound nice, but cant say if its better than the Tungsol standard 12AX7 I just replaced it with.

Does that makes it worth an extra $5 ? well to me its only $5 if I can find out if they are specially selected for quality and tone before getting the Gold plating and the answer is yes then Yes it is worth the extra $5

Right now Im running:
V1-Tungsol ECC 803 S gold pin
V2-Tungsol 12AX7
V3-GT ECC83-S (JJ ECC83 S Groove tube just restamps it with their logo)
V4-GT 12AX7-R3 (EH 12AX7 Groove tube restamp...but they do screen for quality so buying Groove tube is not a bad choice regardless of what the dealers say)
V5-Tungsol 12AX7
V6 P.I.-Tungsol 12AX7

I primarily use the clean channel so my signal gets mainly processed thru V1,V2,V5 and V6 so Im hearing the Tungsol's primarily and they are an excellent musical preamp tube, nicer than the GT-12AX7-R3 (EH12AX7) which has a thinner sharper edged darker tone though they are nice and musical mixed with other tubes say in V2 or V5, and I have to say I really did not care for the GT-ECC83-S (JJ ECC83 S) though I can see why alot of guys like them, especially if they play live and loud, because its a noticable MID Heavy tone, which would certainly be helpful for cutting thru in a band situation, but the GT-ECC83-S or (JJ ECC83-S) arn't as musical to my ears when your sitting in front of your amp using the best effects pedals made and playing tonefull low gain leads over soothing clean picked progressions, a little too harsh for my ears, not to say it couldn't be tamed with EQ, just not my bag in that I like a softer smoother edge to my tone, but again if I were playing in a band setting I may just go all out on JJ ECC83's because that MID bite would definantly cut thru the mix.

Got a TAD 7025WA highgrade premium selected tube on the way, be interesting mixing it up with the Tungsol's which I think could use a little something different than themselves to sweeten the signal, probably slide it into V1 for testing and then maybe V2for good if it pans out to have a nice tone in V1 kinda liking my Tunsol's dont see moving them out of V1 permanently, also curious about the TAD's they sure talk alot of hype about premium selecting their tubes so Im expecting to hear something sweet and will probably be buying several tubes from them if their tube tones seem to live up to the hype.

Going for some Genalex Gold lions soon, wanna see if spending 3 times the amount per tube makes a noticeable difference in tone, which is what Genalex is charging.....they better be good.

So far I cannot see myself ever buying NOS I just dont buy the hype that they blow production tubes away, heard too many guys well versed in tubes say that tubes today are equal to or better than NOS, Im sure that is a case by case basis statement, but I sure the heck aint giving some guy on E-Bay $300 bucks for some old dated tube he claims has X amount of hours on and is the Bees Knees for tone.....not gonna happen, from what I have heard with the cheap tubes I have been buying is pretty darn nice, I just dont believe a $300 preamp tube is gonna change anything so dramatic that Im gonna flip over it, and Im sure not gonna be one of these guys buying $300 tubes to put in a drawer for that special occasion.....well....maybe if I win the lottery.

 

[C1-ocaster]

So I have been swapping out different preamp tubes in my Renegade head...man this is alot of fun....

Bruce has accomplished his mission, I am hooked on the whole tube swapping dealeo...

I use the clean channel almost exclusively with some very nice high end effects running straight into the front end of the head, so I ordered a few different 12ax7's to test out and this is what I landed on giving me a nice cleaner blues tone thats great for lead.

Channel 1
V1 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - a high gain Russian tube
V2 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-C select - Chinese tube
V5 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian
V6P.I. - T-12AX7WA- Soviet

I realize these are not considered the best tubes and now that I can hear such an obviuous difference I have sent for some Tung Sol 12AX7's and will check those out when they arrive in V1 and V2 and see how they fit in for what Im looking for.

For now I have to say I am pretty impressed with what are considered by tube snobs to be not so great tubes, after trying the GT Chinese and GT Russian 12AX7 in V1 and V2 I found I liked the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2, I didnt like the harsher sound of GT Russians in both V1 and V2 and the Chinese In V1 was a little too sterile sounding, ( I found it to be a cleaner sounding tube compared to the Russian R3 ) but having the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2 along with the 12AX7WA soviet tube in the V6P.I. I got a nice clean sustain thats pretty nice for my lead heavy blues jams.

Im looking forward to trying the Tun Sol's as I have heard alot of great reviews about them being more musical, though I have also heard alot of complaints about reliability and microphonics so I will see for myself sometime later this week when they arrive.

Mullard's are also next on my list and definitely some Genelex Gold Lion's somewhere along the line I gotta know what those expensive tubes sound like because if its as big a difference as just swapping a Russian and Chinese around in just V1 and V2 I am hooked.

Channel 2
V3 V4 and V5 all have Groove Tubes GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian tubes
I dont really use channel 2 or the send and return on the effects loop so its of no consequence for me, but I had the tubes and dropped them in and will try those later.

I have to say I stumbled upon a new addiction...swapping tubes....lol and I thought I was done spending money ....can't wait to swap the power tubes...going for something very deep and clean in both channels, see if I cant make that second channel my favorite, I really like a clean tone so Im thinking maybe some KT88's or 6550's

I also wanted to say I did find a little info on tube swapping for the Renegade, but I didnt find much so if anyone cares to chime in and leave their tube recommendations and experiences with the Renegade that would make it easier for experimenters to check out for comparisons...anyway happy swapping.

I have a Vengeance head.
-Mullards are very nice for clean tones, and some are quite high output. Some think they are sterile in tone, but it must depend on amp, cause the sound really good in the amps I've them in.
-Tung Sol's are high gain but can get a bit brash as they can be bright, but great gain and crunch.
-Sovtek LPS sound great in any position including the phase inverter, nice and warm.
-The Chinese tubes are really high gain, not as musical but they drive nicely.
-Sovtek 7025 is a really good tube as well, great for the clean channel and PI. I'm running one in my PI right now and it's nice as good as the Sovtek LPS.
-JJ's ECC83 high gain are also a really good high gain tube, a bit less brash than the Tung's with about the same high gain. If you want to tone down a Tung tone and still want the gain try the JJ's ECC83.

The best pre tube for a very musical, harmonic, and clean tone are the Jan Phillips 5751.
5751's are typically lower gain so they can give you more clean headroom.
But the Jan Phillips 5751 is about the same gain as a 12ax7 with more clean headroom and the smoothest harmonic round tone.
I've tried these in my Vengeance, JSX, XXX, and Bugera and it sounded great in all of them.

My next pre with be the Genelax Gold Lion, as you've read they get great reviews.

 

[lightningblues427]

So I have been swapping out different preamp tubes in my Renegade head...man this is alot of fun....

Bruce has accomplished his mission, I am hooked on the whole tube swapping dealeo...

I use the clean channel almost exclusively with some very nice high end effects running straight into the front end of the head, so I ordered a few different 12ax7's to test out and this is what I landed on giving me a nice cleaner blues tone thats great for lead.

Channel 1
V1 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - a high gain Russian tube
V2 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-C select - Chinese tube
V5 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian
V6P.I. - T-12AX7WA- Soviet

I realize these are not considered the best tubes and now that I can hear such an obviuous difference I have sent for some Tung Sol 12AX7's and will check those out when they arrive in V1 and V2 and see how they fit in for what Im looking for.

For now I have to say I am pretty impressed with what are considered by tube snobs to be not so great tubes, after trying the GT Chinese and GT Russian 12AX7 in V1 and V2 I found I liked the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2, I didnt like the harsher sound of GT Russians in both V1 and V2 and the Chinese In V1 was a little too sterile sounding, ( I found it to be a cleaner sounding tube compared to the Russian R3 ) but having the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2 along with the 12AX7WA soviet tube in the V6P.I. I got a nice clean sustain thats pretty nice for my lead heavy blues jams.

Im looking forward to trying the Tun Sol's as I have heard alot of great reviews about them being more musical, though I have also heard alot of complaints about reliability and microphonics so I will see for myself sometime later this week when they arrive.

Mullard's are also next on my list and definitely some Genelex Gold Lion's somewhere along the line I gotta know what those expensive tubes sound like because if its as big a difference as just swapping a Russian and Chinese around in just V1 and V2 I am hooked.

Channel 2
V3 V4 and V5 all have Groove Tubes GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian tubes
I dont really use channel 2 or the send and return on the effects loop so its of no consequence for me, but I had the tubes and dropped them in and will try those later.

I have to say I stumbled upon a new addiction...swapping tubes....lol and I thought I was done spending money ....can't wait to swap the power tubes...going for something very deep and clean in both channels, see if I cant make that second channel my favorite, I really like a clean tone so Im thinking maybe some KT88's or 6550's

I also wanted to say I did find a little info on tube swapping for the Renegade, but I didnt find much so if anyone cares to chime in and leave their tube recommendations and experiences with the Renegade that would make it easier for experimenters to check out for comparisons...anyway happy swapping.

I have a Vengeance head.
-Mullards are very nice for clean tones, and some are quite high output. Some think they are sterile in tone, but it must depend on amp, cause the sound really good in the amps I've them in.
-Tung Sol's are high gain but can get a bit brash as they can be bright, but great gain and crunch.
-Sovtek LPS sound great in any position including the phase inverter, nice and warm.
-The Chinese tubes are really high gain, not as musical but they drive nicely.
-Sovtek 7025 is a really good tube as well, great for the clean channel and PI. I'm running one in my PI right now and it's nice as good as the Sovtek LPS.
-JJ's ECC83 high gain are also a really good high gain tube, a bit less brash than the Tung's with about the same high gain. If you want to tone down a Tung tone and still want the gain try the JJ's ECC83.

The best pre tube for a very musical, harmonic, and clean tone are the Jan Phillips 5751.
5751's are typically lower gain so they can give you more clean headroom.
But the Jan Phillips 5751 is about the same gain as a 12ax7 with more clean headroom and the smoothest harmonic round tone.
I've tried these in my Vengeance, JSX, XXX, and Bugera and it sounded great in all of them.

My next pre with be the Genelax Gold Lion, as you've read they get great reviews.

Thank you for your input I will buy some of these to try out, just got a TAD 7025WA premium select in the mail today, gonna find a place for it tonight...gonna pickup the Sovtek LPS soon heard alot of good things about that one......and now I feel I have no choice but to try the Jan Phillips 5751 the clean channel is my bread and butter so I am looking forward to checking these out....thanks again.

 

[C1-ocaster]

So I have been swapping out different preamp tubes in my Renegade head...man this is alot of fun....

Bruce has accomplished his mission, I am hooked on the whole tube swapping dealeo...

I use the clean channel almost exclusively with some very nice high end effects running straight into the front end of the head, so I ordered a few different 12ax7's to test out and this is what I landed on giving me a nice cleaner blues tone thats great for lead.

Channel 1
V1 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - a high gain Russian tube
V2 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-C select - Chinese tube
V5 - Groove Tubes, GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian
V6P.I. - T-12AX7WA- Soviet

I realize these are not considered the best tubes and now that I can hear such an obviuous difference I have sent for some Tung Sol 12AX7's and will check those out when they arrive in V1 and V2 and see how they fit in for what Im looking for.

For now I have to say I am pretty impressed with what are considered by tube snobs to be not so great tubes, after trying the GT Chinese and GT Russian 12AX7 in V1 and V2 I found I liked the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2, I didnt like the harsher sound of GT Russians in both V1 and V2 and the Chinese In V1 was a little too sterile sounding, ( I found it to be a cleaner sounding tube compared to the Russian R3 ) but having the Russian in V1 and the Chinese in V2 along with the 12AX7WA soviet tube in the V6P.I. I got a nice clean sustain thats pretty nice for my lead heavy blues jams.

Im looking forward to trying the Tun Sol's as I have heard alot of great reviews about them being more musical, though I have also heard alot of complaints about reliability and microphonics so I will see for myself sometime later this week when they arrive.

Mullard's are also next on my list and definitely some Genelex Gold Lion's somewhere along the line I gotta know what those expensive tubes sound like because if its as big a difference as just swapping a Russian and Chinese around in just V1 and V2 I am hooked.

Channel 2
V3 V4 and V5 all have Groove Tubes GT-12AX7-R3 select - high gain Russian tubes
I dont really use channel 2 or the send and return on the effects loop so its of no consequence for me, but I had the tubes and dropped them in and will try those later.

I have to say I stumbled upon a new addiction...swapping tubes....lol and I thought I was done spending money ....can't wait to swap the power tubes...going for something very deep and clean in both channels, see if I cant make that second channel my favorite, I really like a clean tone so Im thinking maybe some KT88's or 6550's

I also wanted to say I did find a little info on tube swapping for the Renegade, but I didnt find much so if anyone cares to chime in and leave their tube recommendations and experiences with the Renegade that would make it easier for experimenters to check out for comparisons...anyway happy swapping.

I have a Vengeance head.
-Mullards are very nice for clean tones, and some are quite high output. Some think they are sterile in tone, but it must depend on amp, cause the sound really good in the amps I've them in.
-Tung Sol's are high gain but can get a bit brash as they can be bright, but great gain and crunch.
-Sovtek LPS sound great in any position including the phase inverter, nice and warm.
-The Chinese tubes are really high gain, not as musical but they drive nicely.
-Sovtek 7025 is a really good tube as well, great for the clean channel and PI. I'm running one in my PI right now and it's nice as good as the Sovtek LPS.
-JJ's ECC83 high gain are also a really good high gain tube, a bit less brash than the Tung's with about the same high gain. If you want to tone down a Tung tone and still want the gain try the JJ's ECC83.

The best pre tube for a very musical, harmonic, and clean tone are the Jan Phillips 5751.
5751's are typically lower gain so they can give you more clean headroom.
But the Jan Phillips 5751 is about the same gain as a 12ax7 with more clean headroom and the smoothest harmonic round tone.
I've tried these in my Vengeance, JSX, XXX, and Bugera and it sounded great in all of them.

My next pre with be the Genelax Gold Lion, as you've read they get great reviews.

Thank you for your input I will buy some of these to try out, just got a TAD 7025WA premium select in the mail today, gonna find a place for it tonight...gonna pickup the Sovtek LPS soon heard alot of good things about that one......and now I feel I have no choice but to try the Jan Phillips 5751 the clean channel is my bread and butter so I am looking forward to checking these out....thanks again.

Cool.
I hope the Jan 5751 works out for you.
I think you'll like them.

 

[Anonymous]

i posted some detailed info in this forum i found regarding tube rolling in my tourmaster. i did a LOT of research, feel free to search using yeti and tourmaster. i literally rolled tubes for MONTHS in my amp, and took notes! #obsession!

good luck chasing the preamp tube dragon...you can REALLY get down the rabbit hole.

 

[Eracer]

Does any body know if there is a a set of 6L6 and EL34's that give you a big sound change between the two sets of output tubes?

also, I find that my volume on Channel 1 is set to like 7-8ish and my Channel 2 is set to 2 and Channel 2 is still way louder than Ch1.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Does any body know if there is a a set of 6L6 and EL34's that give you a big sound change between the two sets of output tubes?

also, I find that my volume on Channel 1 is set to like 7-8ish and my Channel 2 is set to 2 and Channel 2 is still way louder than Ch1.

Ha!
I have the opposite with my Vengeance head.
Channel one is WAY louder.
I set my gain on channel one and set channel volume and master volume to the level I want.
Switching to channel 2 I have to crank the channel volume WAY more to get it to match ch. 1.
For a real example: Ch. 1 with clean gain on 12 o'clock. Master at 12 o'clock.
Channel volume on about 9am.
Switch to Ch. 2 and I have to put channel volume to 12 or 1 o'clock to get it to match up.
As over all volume goes up so does the difference.

But, I've found that on many other amps too. It's not just Egnater.

 

[viking22]

Does any body know if there is a a set of 6L6 and EL34's that give you a big sound change between the two sets of output tubes?

also, I find that my volume on Channel 1 is set to like 7-8ish and my Channel 2 is set to 2 and Channel 2 is still way louder than Ch1.

Hey ! Yes:if you go with 2 TAD 6L6 WGC (small bottle), for exemple and any pair of good EL34's , you will get a big sound change.But it's not as big as most people think:it's still the same amp and tone stack.With 100% 6L6 on Ch1 and 100% EL34 on Ch2,you should get that big sound change,though ! About the volume difference between Ch1 (clean) and Ch2 (drive),it's normal.It depends on the level of gain/drive.That's why you have the 65/18W feature :i use the 65W on Ch1 and 18W for Ch 2 and it works fine.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Does any body know if there is a a set of 6L6 and EL34's that give you a big sound change between the two sets of output tubes?

also, I find that my volume on Channel 1 is set to like 7-8ish and my Channel 2 is set to 2 and Channel 2 is still way louder than Ch1.

Hey ! Yes:if you go with 2 TAD 6L6 WGC (small bottle), for exemple and any pair of good EL34's , you will get a big sound change.But it's not as big as most people think:it's still the same amp and tone stack.With 100% 6L6 on Ch1 and 100% EL34 on Ch2,you should get that big sound change,though ! About the volume difference between Ch1 (clean) and Ch2 (drive),it's normal.It depends on the level of gain/drive.That's why you have the 65/18W feature :i use the 65W on Ch1 and 18W for Ch 2 and it works fine.

My Vengeance head is 120 watts full power and 60 in half power mode.
I use 60 nearly exclusively.

The Vegeance doesn't have tube blending like the Rebel and Renegade.
But, I can run different power tube pair types and get a 50/50 blend if I run in 120 watt mode.
For example, I can run 6L6's and EL34's, or KT88's and 6L6's.
This amp can handle a lot of different tubes, and it has external bias test points and bias adjust which makes it super easy to swap power tubes at will.
Right now I'm running SED winged C 6L6's in the 60 watt position and Sovtek 5881's in the middle position, so in 120 watt mode all 4 tubes are providing their power and tone.

I've been testing a LOT of amps over the past 6 months and I keep coming back to my Vengeance head.
This amp has some serious saturate high gain, yet it's very smooth and articulate.
The clean is simply fantastic as you all know. Egnater's clean tones are superb imo.
Chimey, bell tone, creamy, dimensional, etc...

 

[andrewcornett]

Hi all I am new to the group and just pick up my Renegade today. Had some issue with no clean change and crappy gain channel when I got it home after testing it in the store where is was great. Long story short I played with and reseated the pre-amp tubes and got all working again. After reading this thread it got me wondering what are the STOCK pre-amp tubes that come in the Renegade? I have the 212 cab and it was a floor model from GC that was marked way down so it could have been a factory second or return who knows. The reason I ask it this is what I found under the hood.


V1 = Tun-Sol 12AX7A Made in Russia
V2 = Ruby 7025-SS says Egnater on it no made in
V3 = Tun-Sol 12AX7A Made in Russia
V4 = Ruby 7025-SS
V5 = Ruby 7025-SS
V6 = Ruby 7025-SS

Power tubes

Ruby 6L6GCMSTR X 2 - Couldn't see where it was made and didn't want to take it out to find out.
Tung-Sol EL34B X2 made in Russia

Another question I have is are the metal cans covering the pre-amp tubes necessary? Talk about a pain in the but to put back on especially V6.

Thanks
Andrew

 

[Len Rabinowitz]

The metal cans aren't absolutely necessary, but they do hold the tubes more securely and protect them. A pain, but what you have to do is press them down firmly and twist them. I can't speak to what comes stock in the Renegade as it probably varies, but I would bet Groove Tubes.