rev F recto, Dead Heart In a Dead World: Party time

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Was just enjoying a tone I dialed in while reamping a friends track, and instantly reminded me of this amazing record. Just immediately started jamming narcosythesis. Couldn’t rmemeber how to play it, I used to know that entire record front to back 10 years ago, I need to maybe do some full covers from
That era, great times.

Jackson custom shop B7
Dimarzio deactivators
Rev F dual Rec
Red channel
Maxon 808
GGD upfront cab, single SM57

1. I totally played the beginning wrong
2. Who cares

Enjoy!

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/m1e7HrXQkrAjwn4M6
 
Sounds super pro. What's your secret sauce...14W lunchbox amp or 2 instances of Soothe 2 on each track? Don't lie, you owe all of your technique to Fluff.

Serious though, that sounds so badass. Good job man! I just got another Recto in my stable last wekk and I can't wait to record with it during the holiday break. Its a fun amp to play with :thumbsup:
 
Purity said:
Sounds super pro. What's your secret sauce...14W lunchbox amp or 2 instances of Soothe 2 on each track? Don't lie, you owe all of your technique to Fluff.

Serious though, that sounds so badass. Good job man! I just got another Recto in my stable last wekk and I can't wait to record with it during the holiday break. Its a fun amp to play with :thumbsup:
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Hahah! How did you know!?

Actually, my secret? Oh you know, just things YouTube producers say don’t matter anymore: excellent converters, a great mic pre, and a 100 watt head! But I’m sure a 13 watter would sound EXACTLY the same!
 
Also real talk… soothe has literally gotta be one of the worst plugins I have ever heard. Seriously. No one making your favorite records uses this garbage. I will admit, that doesn’t mean it can’t work,I’m just shit talking ( per the usual :D) but Christ: why would anyone ever use that on GUITARS? i can see it being used on overheads like barely audible, or maybe on vocals ( maybe? Who knows) but guys using this on guitars? Jesus. I can’t think of a faster way to neuter your guitars than soothe.
 
VESmedic said:
Also real talk… soothe has literally gotta be one of the worst plugins I have ever heard. Seriously. No one making your favorite records uses this garbage. I will admit, that doesn’t mean it can’t work,I’m just shit talking ( per the usual :D) but Christ: why would anyone ever use that on GUITARS? i can see it being used on overheads like barely audible, or maybe on vocals ( maybe? Who knows) but guys using this on guitars? Jesus. I can’t think of a faster way to neuter your guitars than soothe.
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I think that a lot of these "young producers" simply view neutered, anemic guitars as "good sounding" these days. As awful as it is.

Thats one of the reasons i go out of my way to do wild shit :ROFLMAO:
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DanTravis62 said:
I think that a lot of these "young producers" simply view neutered, anemic guitars as "good sounding" these days. As awful as it is.

Thats one of the reasons i go out of my way to do wild shit :ROFLMAO:
:dunno:
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I think you are right, but I can also have sympathy, because I was like that myself. I didn’t realize how bright and cutting guitars often have to be in a dense modern metal mix, it’s quite deceiving listening to a record with all the instruments together in the mix. And that DOESNT mean cutting out all the bass in the guitars, that’s a different thing completely, however I definitely cut out more than I used to becsuse I can hear it much better in my room and monitoring situation. To me it’s extremely obvious just listening to my SoundCloud timeline the last month or so, but that’s just my opinion. anyways….

I can for sure understand that mindset, because I didn’t realize it either until I heard some of my favorite tones ISO’d and realized how much high there actually is, and mics right up on the center of the cone or close to it with minuscule movements of the mic to make things brighter or darker. That was very eye opening to me. Not saying I’ve got that part down at all, but in the last few weeks I’ve really made an effort to get the high end right on my guitars and I’m fairly happy where I’m at at the moment.


But the word is safe: because that is what just about every modern mixer does: plays it safe. Especially the SWEDES Lately surprisingly. Bogren, Castillo, etc: super safe sounding mixes lately. With absolutely no cymbals or Teeth. Kind of depressing.
 
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VESmedic said:
I think you are right, but I can also have sympathy, because I was like that myself. I didn’t realize how bright and cutting guitars often have to be in a dense modern metal mix, it’s quite deceiving listening to a record with all the instruments together in the mix. And that DOESNT mean cutting out all the bass in the guitars, that’s a different thing completely, however I definitely cut out more than I used to becsuse I can hear it much better in my room and monitoring situation. To me it’s extremely obvious just listening to my SoundCloud timeline the last month or so, but that’s just my opinion. anyways….

I can for sure understand that mindset, because I didn’t realize it either until I heard some of my favorite tones ISO’d and realized how much high there actually is, and mics right up on the center of the cone or close to it with minuscule movements of the mic to make things brighter or darker. That was very eye opening to me. Not saying I’ve got that part down at all, but in the last few weeks I’ve really made an effort to get the high end right on my guitars and I’m fairly happy where I’m at at the moment.


But the word is safe: because that is what just about every modern mixer does: plays it safe. Especially the SWEDES Lately surprisingly. Bogren, Costello etc: super safe sounding mixes lately. With absolutely no cymbals or Teeth. Kind of depressing.
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IT IS DEPRESSING, at least as far as the big producers mixes.

And yes, I stumbled onto the "center of the cone" thing too, even though im much more concerened with like 80s era guitar recording - it seems like that was completely an industry standard for years, and yet the guitar sounds are getting more and more neutered and washed out - further from the cone. Its super strange.
 
VESmedic said:
Also real talk… soothe has literally gotta be one of the worst plugins I have ever heard. Seriously. No one making your favorite records uses this garbage. I will admit, that doesn’t mean it can’t work,I’m just shit talking ( per the usual :D) but Christ: why would anyone ever use that on GUITARS? i can see it being used on overheads like barely audible, or maybe on vocals ( maybe? Who knows) but guys using this on guitars? Jesus. I can’t think of a faster way to neuter your guitars than soothe.
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I know a lot of people hate on Fluff (half for good reason) but I wasn't one of them initially until I saw all his praise vids of that plugin. I am a music producer. I'm not proclaiming to be Steve Albini or anything, but his example of that plugin on guitars was one of the most embarrassing demonstrations of that plugin. Its too hyper aggressive overall for most applications and geared for total nooblets who don't know any better. He presents that plugin opposite and otherwise.
 
You’ve got that Death shit down ( I guess). Can you cop a great recorded rock or classic metal sound? You know, tight and aggressive, but still smooth with complex mids. Not as easy.
 
Purity said:
I know a lot of people hate on Fluff (half for good reason) but I wasn't one of them initially until I saw all his praise vids of that plugin. I am a music producer. I'm not proclaiming to be Steve Albini or anything, but his example of that plugin on guitars was one of the most embarrassing demonstrations of that plugin. Its too hyper aggressive overall for most applications and geared for total nooblets who don't know any better. He presents that plugin opposite and otherwise.
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Yea for sure. I mean, I have nothing against fluff honestly. He doesn’t try to be anything he’s not, and he’s likeable for sure, we also have quite a few mutual close friends. But, he is turning into the modern day version of guitar world magazine with reviews: not one product ever gets slammed. And considering what the rumor is he gets to review a product these days, it’s not surprising. At the same time, I tend to think guitar products IN GENERAL are much better as a whole than they were 20 years ago when guitar world was king with reviews, so there’s that too.
 
Tone Monster said:
You’ve got that Death shit down ( I guess). Can you cop a great recorded rock or classic metal sound? You know, tight and aggressive, but still smooth with complex mids. Not as easy.
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You think coping a classic rock tone, a tone that is incredibly forgiving with mic placement just by the nature of lesser gain tones for starters, is HARDER to cope then a high gain tone that can be effected by the wind blowing on a microphone and where it’s placed ( SARCASM)?

Also, I didn’t realize nevermore, and Jeff loomis specifically is “death shit”… I learn something new hear everyday!
 
Tone Monster said:
You’ve got that Death shit down ( I guess). Can you cop a great recorded rock or classic metal sound? You know, tight and aggressive, but still smooth with complex mids. Not as easy.
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Ok… now that I got that out of my system… for what it’s worth, I did make my living playing country/rock in Nashville with a major label artist for 3 years, 100+ shows a year, from 500 person clubs to over 20,000 at festivals. Im
Not trying to be snarky, I’m just saying, those tones are much more in the vein of what you are referencing, and that’s not a town where you can have bad tone. So I definitely feel it’s in my wheelhouse, yes.
 
When you've been recording guitars long enough, you know this shit is on a sliding scale. Making extreme, heavy guitars sound good is exponentially more difficult than ac/dc or zz top.

I'm closer to the classic rock part of the spectrum than medic is (priest maiden 80d thrash tones) but come on man. Anyone who's done this for a living knows how the degree of difficulty ramps up.
 
DanTravis62 said:
When you've been recording guitars long enough, you know this shit is on a sliding scale. Making extreme, heavy guitars sound good is exponentially more difficult than ac/dc or zz top.

I'm closer to the classic rock part of the spectrum than medic is (priest maiden 80d thrash tones) but come on man. Anyone who's done this for a living knows how the degree of difficulty ramps up.
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Yea I mean, I love classic tones as much as anyone. But coping a great metal tone that also works in a mix is infinitely more difficult. High gain is literally filtered pink noise that hits every frequency in the spectrum, and you somehow have to make it sound GREAT, and fit into a super dense, often fast and complex mix. There’s no comparison. Im not knocking AC/DC, because I’ll never sound as good as those guys playing 3 chords with that amount of balls no doubt, but it ain’t even close to the same thing.
 
VESmedic said:
Yea I mean, I love classic tones as much as anyone. But coping a great metal tone that also works in a mix is infinitely more difficult. High gain is literally filtered pink noise that hits every frequency in the spectrum, and you somehow have to make it sound GREAT, and fit into a super dense, often fast and complex mix. There’s no comparison. Im not knocking AC/DC, because I’ll never sound as good as those guys playing 3 chords with that amount of balls no doubt, but it ain’t even close to the same thing.
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Exactly. It's a completely different set of skills.

Its just annoying when people discount someone's skills because of not understanding the differences between recording different styles.
 
Never fails to impress me.
Would have killed to have recorded tone like that back in the day.
 
peterc52 said:
When you say GGD upfront cab. Is it then a GGD IR? Killer tone and playing!
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Yes! The upfront cab, with the brightness rolled up to about 2-3 o’clock with an sm57, that’s it my friend.
 
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