Rock is dead

[evhfan]

I have no idea how Grohl fills stadiums...great thread by the way..was thinking this very thing a few months ago.

 

[155]

add metal to that list too...nobody gives a shit anymore...except us...

 

[godgrinder]

It's not really dead. It has divided into hundreds of little niche markets and kids just listen to what they exactly like. It's no longer "one big thing".

 

[Spaceboy]

oh we're having this discussion again

rock isn't dead, and your odd dependence on finding good examples within popular music only show that times have aged faster than you can keep up

the mainstream was everything, and now it matters very little because every fan of music has endless outlets to find what they want. we seek information and art rather than having it fed to us through radio and television. it's a new age and music is everywhere for those who want it.

 

[HilltopExplosion]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... WYlpEUD3Dw

 

[Purpleibby]

Grohl may suck at shredding on a purple Ibanez but doesn't suck at making money playing rock music and writing catchy songs that span generations, demographics and cultures. "Vanilla" songwriting is an opinion as that's the favorite flavor of the majority. Remember, it's been 20 years and you still can't turn on a rock radio station without hearing many of his early songs, usually in the same song block as Van Halen, Black Sabath, Rush, etc. if that's not standing the test of time I don't know what is.

What you really need to understand is that its the Grohls of the world doing the leg work thats keeping music as a business relevant. His contribution is the gateway for many, usually the young, to start playing and buying music, keeping even the smallest flame of hope for new music alive. A young Foo Fighter fan may eventually turn into the talented musician that all of us guitar nerds will be talking about in a few years on these very pages. Most of us here as kids didn't save up to buy Al Di Meola's music as our first album.

It's not just about shredding on a purple ibanez, it's the whole picture.....don't pigeon-hole my point-of-view....I'm sorry but no one should be writing music just to appeal to everyone....that's how you get uni-culture vanilla, and that's just anathema to the spirit of rock music and to what gave it it's fire. Radio, who listens to it anymore when compared to today's radio which is youtube. Radio is the old way of thinking and doing things. People don't have to be force fed whatever artist may be the safest investment for promotion anymore they can choose. Radio stations and record companies don't have control of anything anymore....again that's the old way of thinking things. Foo Fighters is among the last vestage of a dying industry.....and Nirvana and Foo are old hat, the mid 90's were a long time ago.

...and Al Di Meola wasn't my first either....Peace Sells was my first record lol so I understand....we did happen to get some killer guitar on that one. Foo Fighters aren't the beginning of a pimple on Sabbath or Van Halen's ass....and even Grohl would say so, and I don't think there's too many out there that would disagree. Foo hasn't innovated like that, or inspired anyone to innovate anything....and I'm sorry but it's vanilla and there isn't one once of deep feel to their music. Foo isn't gonna inspire anyone to take rock music to new places. He's a lucky guy, from a lousy to mediocre band(Nirvana) that was corporate anti-rock music.

Quote from Cobain: "I like to infiltrate the mechanics of a system by posing as one of them, then slowly start the rot from the inside of the empire" IMO that's exactly what Kurt tried to do to rock music.....

It's not really dead. It has divided into hundreds of little niche markets and kids just listen to what they exactly like. It's no longer "one big thing".

THIS!

 

[4406cuda]

Steven Tyler says Country is the "New Classic Rock"

 

[HilltopExplosion]

Steven Tyler says Country is the "New Classic Rock"

There is a country tune that starts out and sounds just like Metallica's Sanitarium, and sound like they are using EVH amps, it made such an impact on me I forgot the band's name... and the name of the song.. but remembered the riff.

Found it.. Brantley Gilbert Bottoms Up.

 

[romanianreaper]

Some of you guys are snorting coke off of a hooker's ass right now.

Listen to the new Slayer, new Megadeth, Sevendust, Clutch, etc. Even the new W.A.S.P. CD has some great songs on it.

You gotta dig gentlemen!!! Dig in and find some good music out there!!

 

[HilltopExplosion]

Some of you guys are snorting coke off of a hooker's ass right now.

Listen to the new Slayer, new Megadeth, Sevendust, Clutch, etc. Even the new W.A.S.P. CD has some great songs on it.

You gotta dig gentlemen!!! Dig in and find some good music out there!!

See, I didn't know that.. Always been a Slayer, Megadeth, W.A.S.P fan, and as far as the blow and hookers shhhh,..... don't tell my wife.

 

[skoora]

Remember, it's been 20 years and you still can't turn on a rock radio station without hearing many of his early songs, usually in the same song block as Van Halen, Black Sabath, Rush, etc..

Funny, when the Foo Fighters come on that's exactly when I change the station to find more Van Halen, Black Sabbath and possibly if I'm lucky, some Ram Jam!

Man if the Foo's are meant to be the gateway rock band for young kids I thank Christ I'm old enough that mine was 70's Kiss. Something that was actually bad ass! Flame On, Flame On Modernites. Can you imagine the relief on a parents face when they realize the mp3 is the Foo's In their kid's headphones and not Agnostic Front or hardcore rap.

Rocks OK, it's just thriving more in Scandanavia right now...

Agree with its out there but you have to find it now. Its not going to be brought to you. Unfortunately you're sifting through an endless sea of mediocrity to do so. Except Chris Holmes. That shit is tight!

Also RE the Foo's. They got to fully establish their career while the industry was still in full swing. Huge promotion and money was behind them for years, so they're not exactly a litmus test for Rocks vital signs.

 

[guitarmike]

Agree with its out there but you have to find it now. Its not going to be brought to you. Unfortunately you're sifting through an endless sea of mediocrity to do so.

I started listening to rock music in 1975 (I was 12). You always had to dig deep to find good music, it mostly was not on the radio and there was no Internet. From 1975 through 1980 the "rock" stations in the midwest played 3 songs from Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Ironman, and Sweetleaf. They played 2 Rush songs, Working man and Fly by Night. If you wanted to hear more you either bought the album (I bought 8 tracks ), or got a copy from a friend. Even in the 1980's you had to look beyond the radio if you wanted to find the best music. The only exceptions were Zrock, (they would not play Pink Floyd, ZZ Top, or even the newer Rush albums as they were not heavy enough!!), and WVVX, a local rent a station in Northern IL that played great music. These stations played GNR 6 months before the commercial stations did.

My point still stands, if I want new music written with the talent and craft of the greats, and played and sang by real pros, I am out of luck. The songsmithing of the 68-94 era is gone. There are no NEW bands that write and play like the old farts. Remember, many times those guys had massive drug habits yet had to nail it in the studio as there was no autotune or computer to help.

 

[skoora]

Agree with its out there but you have to find it now. Its not going to be brought to you. Unfortunately you're sifting through an endless sea of mediocrity to do so.

I started listening to rock music in 1975 (I was 12). You always had to dig deep to find good music, it mostly was not on the radio and there was no Internet. From 1975 through 1980 the "rock" stations in the midwest played 3 songs from Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Ironman, and Sweetleaf. They played 2 Rush songs, Working man and Fly by Night. If you wanted to hear more you either bought the album (I bought 8 tracks ), or got a copy from a friend. Even in the 1980's you had to look beyond the radio if you wanted to find the best music. The only exceptions were Zrock, (they would not play Pink Floyd, ZZ Top, or even the newer Rush albums as they were not heavy enough!!), and WVVX, a local rent a station in Northern IL that played great music. These stations played GNR 6 months before the commercial stations did.

My point still stands, if I want new music written with the talent and craft of the greats, and played and sang by real pros, I am out of luck. The songsmithing of the 68-94 era is gone. There are no NEW bands that write and play like the old farts. Remember, many times those guys had massive drug habits yet had to nail it in the studio as there was no autotune or computer to help.

Agree. For me growing up it was how many times can you hear Another Brick, Money, Bad to the Bone, Legs and Born In The USA? Obviously, not enough...
For me it was all about the Saturday metal show on college radio. Two hours of having the cassette ready to go to capture some new magic. Loved going to the one, small record shop in town that specialized in Metal. Going through the LP covers etc. If it wasn't Black Sabbath or Deep Purple it wasn't going to be in the regular stores. They would play any vinyl you wanted. In the 80's there was a Australian government, TV station music video show called Rage that would play all kinds of metal videos late at night. It was the first time I saw video footage of Gary Moore from his Emerald Isle concert in '84...Good times.

 

[nevusofota]

The term "good music" keeps getting thrown around here. What many in this thread still don't realize is that what is defined as "good music" varies greatly among the general population and what we perceive as good in the fishbowl of a forum filled with rock guitar musicians is going to be different than the rest of the world.

 

[guitarmike]

The term "good music" keeps getting thrown around here. What many in this thread still don't realize is that what is defined as "good music" varies greatly among the general population and what we perceive as good in the fishbowl of a forum filled with rock guitar musicians is going to be different than the rest of the world.

I get your point but I am not arguing my definition of good. Take Meatloaf's Paradise by the Dashboard Light for example. I am not a big fan of Meatloaf but that song is a well written piece of music. That is what is missing today. People seam to be writing strictly by the formula that is successful in their genre. The creativity in songwriting is missing. I am not looking at this as a musician but as a fan of music.

 

[Mailman1971]

 

[HilltopExplosion]

REAL rock n roll

 

[barnesjd]

I want to read more about how Dave Grohl sucks.

 

[Atropos_Project]

I started listening to rock music in 1975 (I was 12). You always had to dig deep to find good music, it mostly was not on the radio and there was no Internet......

This was my experience as well. Radio did absolutely nothing to directly tailor my listening habits at a young age, it was hand-me-down albums, and then word of mouth. So it always makes me raise an eyebrow when folks complain about the radio being bad, or generic, etc, as if something different should be expected from it. Radio was just never on (aside from 1930's era music AM radio at the grandparents house) when I was growing up.

As far as D. Grohl goes... I'm hard pressed to think of many other artists who started out in one band that made it pretty big, completely changed their role as a musician, and went on to even more success in an entirely different band. As much as I could write about how misleading his "anyone can be in a rock band and make it big" screed is, credit should be given where it's due.

I dunno.. I manage to find enough modern music to keep me happy. There might not be many bands playing the exact sort of rock that was being done 30-40 years ago, and I'm ok with that. It's fair to appreciate that music for what it was, and keep an open mind to some of what's out there now.

/rant

 

[Gearhog]

Learn about Sweden. They get it.

This. Hardcore Superstar smokes. Killer vocals, Killer guitar, Killer drums.