Rolling volume back and losing highs

[lame guitarist]

Hey guys, I remember seeing Andy Timmons talking about something he has on his guitar. It retained the treble when he lowered the volume. Anyone know what it was and how its done? I am assuming its just a cap and resistor mod or something? I want it on a PRS that gets a bit muddy when I roll the volume back

 

[ChadVanHalen]

Get a treble bleed cap
https://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wi ... eble_bleed

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

I've been wondering about this, myself. Thanks, Chad!

 

[lame guitarist]

Perfect. Many thanks Chad, exactly what I am looking for.

 

[luxxtone]

You can also experiment with silver mica caps alone with no resistor. Try anything between 68pf and 150pf, the higher the value the more treble retained. Sometimes it can be too much, but the good news is you can buy a bunch of them for about 75 cents each and try them all out to find which ones works best.

 

[lame guitarist]

Thanks, I think I have a selection of them (no idea of the values till I dig them out) but I will try that as well.

You can also experiment with silver mica caps alone with no resistor. Try anything between 68pf and 150pf, the higher the value the more treble retained. Sometimes it can be too much, but the good news is you can buy a bunch of them for about 75 cents each and try them all out to find which ones works best.

 

[Kelly]

I dont like treble bleeds, personally. You can always try shorter, high quality cables (eg. Scott Henderson).

 

[thunda]

a good scientific discussion and recommendations can be found here:

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5317

 

[glassjaw7]

I rewired my LP with 50s wiring layout and there's no treble loss when rolling back volume knob. Sounds much better this way IMO.

Stole this from a post on another forum:

"50s style wiring places the tone control on the output of the volume control vs on the input with modern wiring. This means that as you roll the volume control down with the tone control up full, the tone control has higher relative resistance, so rolls off less treble. It also makes the volume and tone controls more interactive, so if the tone control is down, it will change the apparent taper of the volume control and cause you to lose more treble"

 

[AndyK]

I always find treble bleed caps make the guitar sound thinner, like it was running out of phase.

 

[luxxtone]

The tone of treble bleeds all depends on what types of caps, resistors and values you use. That's why it's good to experiment. Also, different pickups, amps and cables have a huge affect on how it will sound also. A great pickup, running through a great amp with a nice cable may eliminate the need for one…..all depends. Many companies install treble bleeds stock, and we do to. But they are easy to remove if someone doesn't like them. Definitely worth a try if you're losing highs when you roll off.

 

[Anonymous]

grab the same value pot that you have, but make sure it's a push pull

wire it up. you can find schematics for it on the web. super easy...best of both worlds once you settle on a value cap you like.

 

[PBGas]

grab the same value pot that you have, but make sure it's a push pull

wire it up. you can find schematics for it on the web. super easy...best of both worlds once you settle on a value cap you like.

This!

My Ibby Satch has this built in. Works perfectly!