Shameless gear flippers

[EXPcustom]

Some people are just OBSESSED with money. Either saving it, or making it.
It's all they think about and the only thing they value in life. AKA - money grubbers.

Or they enjoy working and making money within their hobby. I really don't understand this mentality, whats the difference between one of our beloved Mom and Pop shops and a guy making a couple of bucks selling on craigslist?

There is two things that bother me a little bit, and there is nothing I can do about it.
Guys that preach how immoral it is to flip great deals, because a guitar should be loved and appreciated by a artist who may not otherwise afford something, especially when they miss out on a great deal. Then, have no problem picking up a flip and making some cash and are to stupid to keep their mouth shut and just be happy. Hypocrite, anyone?
Guys that part out guitars that are becoming difficult to find; example being older Charvels. I see a lot of Model series guitars stripped to pieces on Ebay, again nice if you need a part, but I'd rather see those older guitars stay in one piece.

I see your point if that is what we were talking about. But the subject here is John Doe sold something to Jane for $1,000. Then Jane turned around and tried to sell it back to John for $1,700 all the while telling John how great the gear was and how good of a deal she was giving him.

I don’t think anyone is against someone making a buck otherwise.

Was there an agreement that the item had to be sold back at the original price? No, according to the OP.

Is the seller being dishonest or lying about the item. I.e. lying about damage or specs?

If the seller is just stating his opinion he can do that. Maybe in his mind he still believes it's still a good deal and it is a great piece of gear.

This entire thread is a non issue and people bitching over nothing unless I am missing some sort of fraud or deception?

“Sell me a guitar for $500 and in 2 months I’ll sell it back to you for a great, awesome price because it’s the best guitar ever for only $1,200 because I like you.”
Does that help?

I see what you mean, better call the BBB, notify the press and start a thread and FB posts and dare I say it... a tweet.

Such horrid behavior, get the noose.

 

[Vin Diezel]

Some people are just OBSESSED with money. Either saving it, or making it.
It's all they think about and the only thing they value in life. AKA - money grubbers.

Or they enjoy working and making money within their hobby. I really don't understand this mentality, whats the difference between one of our beloved Mom and Pop shops and a guy making a couple of bucks selling on craigslist?

There is two things that bother me a little bit, and there is nothing I can do about it.
Guys that preach how immoral it is to flip great deals, because a guitar should be loved and appreciated by a artist who may not otherwise afford something, especially when they miss out on a great deal. Then, have no problem picking up a flip and making some cash and are to stupid to keep their mouth shut and just be happy. Hypocrite, anyone?
Guys that part out guitars that are becoming difficult to find; example being older Charvels. I see a lot of Model series guitars stripped to pieces on Ebay, again nice if you need a part, but I'd rather see those older guitars stay in one piece.

I see your point if that is what we were talking about. But the subject here is John Doe sold something to Jane for $1,000. Then Jane turned around and tried to sell it back to John for $1,700 all the while telling John how great the gear was and how good of a deal she was giving him.

I don’t think anyone is against someone making a buck otherwise.

Was there an agreement that the item had to be sold back at the original price? No, according to the OP.

Is the seller being dishonest or lying about the item. I.e. lying about damage or specs?

If the seller is just stating his opinion he can do that. Maybe in his mind he still believes it's still a good deal and it is a great piece of gear.

This entire thread is a non issue and people bitching over nothing unless I am missing some sort of fraud or deception?

“Sell me a guitar for $500 and in 2 months I’ll sell it back to you for a great, awesome price because it’s the best guitar ever for only $1,200 because I like you.”
Does that help?

That's exactly what my post was about, flipping. Doesn't matter if it's the same person trying to buy it back, people can ask whatever price they would like to get. If it's a worth it to the buyer then there's a deal, maybe it was undervalued originally. The owner can be as big of a douchebag as they'd like to be selling gear back. I don't like the whole used car salesman bit, I'd just walk away.

If they had a previous agreement, then yeah, they both should honor it.

I don't get it. Why can't you just say "NO man..i sold it to you for 500, i'm not going to pay you 1200!"

But hey i've given out "bro" deals to close buddies, but mostly to upgrade my rigs. I sold a Mesa triple rec to a buddy for $650, he stressed to me that he needed it badly. LOL, he had it for a few weeks then started selling it for $1200. He offered it to me for $850 after he sat on it a month. I told him i didn't need the Mesa anymore and wasn't interested. NOW...If i was in the market for a triple rec well $850 was going to be a good deal. I didn't feel abused, it was his amp.

I do see why you'd be upset...but we didn't have to give out the "bro" deal so it's our own fault.

Now if this guy the OP is talking about is trying to deceive you on what he bought it for....remind him! That'd be my first reply.

I would not like to have the buddies you have. That's really sad.

 

[EXPcustom]

Yes! This is just sad and an outrage!! Something has to be done!!!




Although I am still not sure what happened and where the fraud came into the picture but something has to be done!



I mean a entire year later this item has to be sold at the same price, lets look at Bitcoin, or index funds like S&P or the Nasdaq. I mean its not like anything appreciated. This is a moral outrage!

In fact I sold a Bitcoin a year go to a "bro" with no agreement that he has to sell it to me at the same price. I just expect him to regardless because I feel it's the right thing for him to do even though it has appreciated a 1000% since then. That asshole tried to say it was the most awesome and bestest Btcoin ever.

 

[zuel69]

"hey, I will give you a great deal, I will give it to you for a little less than I bought it for!" I said, "oh yeah, great!" He then named his price. It was $750 more than he bought it from me.

This is called lying.

 

[EXPcustom]

"hey, I will give you a great deal, I will give it to you for a little less than I bought it for!" I said, "oh yeah, great!" He then named his price. It was $750 more than he bought it from me.

This is called lying.

What if he really believes this?.. as in remembers that is what he bought it for? Seriously I know people that buy/sell 10-20 guitars and amps annually and they aren't even "flippers" they told me they can't remember the original price of each piece of gear that they paid for. When they go to list something on Reverb or the forums they just look on Google to see what recent sales that item sold for.

Now if he was saying the guitar was mint, had a straight neck and it was sold as a broken headstock repair then that would be an issue of moral turpitude worthy of outrage.

 

[Candiria]

I don't have a single friend that would charge me more than what they paid for something that I sold them. I can't comprehend that. I've had to force money onto them for things they've bought that they've tried to give to me for way less than they paid, and they've done the same to me.

If you're the type of person that sees no issue with someone's friend asking them to pay them $200 more for an amp they just sold to them a few weeks ago then you're either too nice of a person or a complete douche.

 

[Metlupass2]

Go look at the classified now and see if there’s any ads that match the OPs description of what he’s referring to.

 

[Elric]

I am confused... Who is the doofus supposed to be? The guy trying to make a profit off a guitar he bought used or the guy trying to buy back a guitar he sold less than a year ago for less than he got paid for it?

 

[EXPcustom]

I don't have a single friend that would charge me more than what they paid for something that I sold them. I can't comprehend that. I've had to force money onto them for things they've bought that they've tried to give to me for way less than they paid, and they've done the same to me.

If you're the type of person that sees no issue with someone's friend asking them to pay them $200 more for an amp they just sold to them a few weeks ago then you're either too nice of a person or a complete douche.

It's great to be aware of the price of tea in China but what you said has nothing to do with this thread.

In this thread the OP and supposed seller aren't friends, in fact they barely know each other. He sold him a piece of gear a year ago not a few weeks ago. No agreement on resale was made, like "I'm hooking you up so if you need to sell it give me a chance to buy it back at the same price."

I am still trying to see the issue here.

 

[Riggins1966]

That sort of hype is a non-starter for me. It's baldfaced lying and they know it. And unless they're an idiot, they know you know it. Yet they still try and pull it off. Fuck that. But there probably is a sucker somewhere that will reinforce their douchebag used car salesman speil.

this. I pretty much disregard any ad that contains "this is the best guitar I've owned/played!".

 

[Beyond Black]

Some people are just OBSESSED with money. Either saving it, or making it.
It's all they think about and the only thing they value in life. AKA - money grubbers.

Or they enjoy working and making money within their hobby. I really don't understand this mentality, whats the difference between one of our beloved Mom and Pop shops and a guy making a couple of bucks selling on craigslist?

There is two things that bother me a little bit, and there is nothing I can do about it.
Guys that preach how immoral it is to flip great deals, because a guitar should be loved and appreciated by a artist who may not otherwise afford something, especially when they miss out on a great deal. Then, have no problem picking up a flip and making some cash and are to stupid to keep their mouth shut and just be happy. Hypocrite, anyone?
Guys that part out guitars that are becoming difficult to find; example being older Charvels. I see a lot of Model series guitars stripped to pieces on Ebay, again nice if you need a part, but I'd rather see those older guitars stay in one piece.

I see your point if that is what we were talking about. But the subject here is John Doe sold something to Jane for $1,000. Then Jane turned around and tried to sell it back to John for $1,700 all the while telling John how great the gear was and how good of a deal she was giving him.

I don’t think anyone is against someone making a buck otherwise.

Was there an agreement that the item had to be sold back at the original price? No, according to the OP.

Is the seller being dishonest or lying about the item. I.e. lying about damage or specs?

If the seller is just stating his opinion he can do that. Maybe in his mind he still believes it's still a good deal and it is a great piece of gear.

This entire thread is a non issue and people bitching over nothing unless I am missing some sort of fraud or deception?

“Sell me a guitar for $500 and in 2 months I’ll sell it back to you for a great, awesome price because it’s the best guitar ever for only $1,200 because I like you.”
Does that help?

That's exactly what my post was about, flipping. Doesn't matter if it's the same person trying to buy it back, people can ask whatever price they would like to get. If it's a worth it to the buyer then there's a deal, maybe it was undervalued originally. The owner can be as big of a douchebag as they'd like to be selling gear back. I don't like the whole used car salesman bit, I'd just walk away.

If they had a previous agreement, then yeah, they both should honor it.

I don't get it. Why can't you just say "NO man..i sold it to you for 500, i'm not going to pay you 1200!"

But hey i've given out "bro" deals to close buddies, but mostly to upgrade my rigs. I sold a Mesa triple rec to a buddy for $650, he stressed to me that he needed it badly. LOL, he had it for a few weeks then started selling it for $1200. He offered it to me for $850 after he sat on it a month. I told him i didn't need the Mesa anymore and wasn't interested. NOW...If i was in the market for a triple rec well $850 was going to be a good deal. I didn't feel abused, it was his amp.

I do see why you'd be upset...but we didn't have to give out the "bro" deal so it's our own fault.

Now if this guy the OP is talking about is trying to deceive you on what he bought it for....remind him! That'd be my first reply.

Dude, your friend is a dick.

 

[RedPlated]

I don't have a single friend that would charge me more than what they paid for something that I sold them. I can't comprehend that. I've had to force money onto them for things they've bought that they've tried to give to me for way less than they paid, and they've done the same to me.

If you're the type of person that sees no issue with someone's friend asking them to pay them $200 more for an amp they just sold to them a few weeks ago then you're either too nice of a person or a complete douche.

It's great to be aware of the price of tea in China but what you said has nothing to do with this thread.

In this thread the OP and supposed seller aren't friends, in fact they barely know each other. He sold him a piece of gear a year ago not a few weeks ago. No agreement on resale was made, like "I'm hooking you up so if you need to sell it give me a chance to buy it back at the same price."

I am still trying to see the issue here.

The way I’m reading it, the OP never made the claim that there was any pre-arranged agreement on a resale price. Not sure why that keeps getting brought up over and over. Someone is mis-comprehending what was written.

The issue, as I understand it, is that the seller offered to sell this piece of gear to the OP for “less than he paid for it”, not knowing that the OP was the one who sold it to him. The seller gave a price that was many hundreds more than what the OP had sold it to him for, and thus was caught in a lie. He was being dishonest in effort to try and make a sale and make the price more appealing to the OP. Only it backfired.

No one is saying the seller owed the guitar to the OP at a prearranged lower price. What is being said is that the seller was unethical and lied to try and make a sale. That isn’t right, in my opinion. Can you do it and call it capitalism? Sure. Is it wrong and unethical? Definitely.

I’m not taking sides or confirming either party’s story. I’m merely trying to clarify what seems to have been stated by the OP.

I would also have to admit that I get immediately turned off by multiple sales posts by the same individual claiming every guitar is, “the best”, “the one”, “really can do it ALL” type stuff. Makes me
wonder who falls for that type of marketing. Reminds me of an infomercial.

 

[EXPcustom]

I don't have a single friend that would charge me more than what they paid for something that I sold them. I can't comprehend that. I've had to force money onto them for things they've bought that they've tried to give to me for way less than they paid, and they've done the same to me.

If you're the type of person that sees no issue with someone's friend asking them to pay them $200 more for an amp they just sold to them a few weeks ago then you're either too nice of a person or a complete douche.

It's great to be aware of the price of tea in China but what you said has nothing to do with this thread.

In this thread the OP and supposed seller aren't friends, in fact they barely know each other. He sold him a piece of gear a year ago not a few weeks ago. No agreement on resale was made, like "I'm hooking you up so if you need to sell it give me a chance to buy it back at the same price."

I am still trying to see the issue here.

The way I’m reading it, the OP never made the claim that there was any pre-arranged agreement on a resale price. Not sure why that keeps getting brought up over and over. Someone is mis-comprehending what was written.

The issue, as I understand it, is that the seller offered to sell this piece of gear to the OP for “less than he paid for it”, not knowing that the OP was the one who sold it to him. The seller gave a price that was many hundreds more than what the OP had sold it to him for, and thus was caught in a lie. He was being dishonest in effort to try and make a sale and make the price more appealing to the OP. Only it backfired.

No one is saying the seller owed the guitar to the OP at a prearranged lower price. What is being said is that the seller was unethical and lied to try and make a sale. That isn’t right, in my opinion. Can you do it and call it capitalism? Sure. Is it wrong and unethical? Definitely.

I’m not taking sides or confirming either party’s story. I’m merely trying to clarify what seems to have been stated by the OP.

I would also have to admit that I get immediately turned off by multiple sales posts by the same individual claiming every guitar is, “the best”, “the one”, “really can do it ALL” type stuff. Makes me
wonder who falls for that type of marketing. Reminds me of an infomercial.

Me personally I can't remember what I bought each piece of gear for especially after I bought it a year or more ago. I mean this seller didn't even remember who the OP was so who's to say he truelly doesn't remember what he bough it for?

His opinion that it's the best guitar ever is his opinion. Maybe his over the top style is a turn off but whatever. It's up to you if you want to buy or not.

He could just have a bad memory and his lack of remembering what he bought it for isn't fraud in anyway. You know like trying to say the guitar was made in the USA when it was really made in China or something to that effect, real Brazilian vs. Pau Farro etc.

Like I said I fail to see the issue.

 

[tfridgen]

I don't have a single friend that would charge me more than what they paid for something that I sold them. I can't comprehend that. I've had to force money onto them for things they've bought that they've tried to give to me for way less than they paid, and they've done the same to me.

If you're the type of person that sees no issue with someone's friend asking them to pay them $200 more for an amp they just sold to them a few weeks ago then you're either too nice of a person or a complete douche.

It's great to be aware of the price of tea in China but what you said has nothing to do with this thread.

In this thread the OP and supposed seller aren't friends, in fact they barely know each other. He sold him a piece of gear a year ago not a few weeks ago. No agreement on resale was made, like "I'm hooking you up so if you need to sell it give me a chance to buy it back at the same price."

I am still trying to see the issue here.

The way I’m reading it, the OP never made the claim that there was any pre-arranged agreement on a resale price. Not sure why that keeps getting brought up over and over. Someone is mis-comprehending what was written.

The issue, as I understand it, is that the seller offered to sell this piece of gear to the OP for “less than he paid for it”, not knowing that the OP was the one who sold it to him. The seller gave a price that was many hundreds more than what the OP had sold it to him for, and thus was caught in a lie. He was being dishonest in effort to try and make a sale and make the price more appealing to the OP. Only it backfired.

No one is saying the seller owed the guitar to the OP at a prearranged lower price. What is being said is that the seller was unethical and lied to try and make a sale. That isn’t right, in my opinion. Can you do it and call it capitalism? Sure. Is it wrong and unethical? Definitely.

I’m not taking sides or confirming either party’s story. I’m merely trying to clarify what seems to have been stated by the OP.

I would also have to admit that I get immediately turned off by multiple sales posts by the same individual claiming every guitar is, “the best”, “the one”, “really can do it ALL” type stuff. Makes me
wonder who falls for that type of marketing. Reminds me of an infomercial.

Me personally I can't remember what I bought each piece of gear for especially after I bought it a year or more ago. I mean this seller didn't even remember who the OP was so who's to say he truelly doesn't remember what he bough it for?

His opinion that it's the best guitar ever is his opinion. Maybe his over the top style is a turn off but whatever. It's up to you if you want to buy or not.

He could just have a bad memory and his lack of remembering what he bought it for isn't fraud in anyway. You know like trying to say the guitar was made in the USA when it was really made in China or something to that effect, real Brazilian vs. Pau Farro etc.

Like I said I fail to see the issue.

You fail to see the issue because you're ignoring the absolutely brilliant breakdown of the situation by RedPlated. It's a matter of ethics, plain and simple and I think it's bullshit that this guy would somehow forget how much he bought something for. I'm sure most here have a running tab in their heads of every deal they've done. If you think it's fine to lie to someone to make a sale, then that's your prerogative and that stance will be taken into account by this community when perusing your classified ads. I'm quite happy, and not a bit surprised that the majority of this board has a problem with this guy's moral code.

 

[EXPcustom]

You fail to see the issue because you're ignoring the absolutely brilliant breakdown of the situation by RedPlated. It's a matter of ethics, plain and simple and I think it's bullshit that this guy would somehow forget how much he bought something for. I'm sure most here have a running tab in their heads of every deal they've done. If you think it's fine to lie to someone to make a sale, then that's your prerogative and that stance will be taken into account by this community when perusing your classified ads. I'm quite happy, and not a bit surprised that the majority of this board has a problem with this guy's moral code.

How does the seller failing to recall what he originally paid for the item wether it was a lie or truely did not remember have anything to do with the product he's selling at the given price he is asking.

Do you think you can get a Paypal or Ebay refund or a small claims judgement in your favor if your claim is "Seller lied about what he paid for the item a year ago therefore I want my money back, although item is as described."

Like I sated if you are defrauding someone by misrepresenting the item by hiding or omitting the truth regarding repairs or specs. Example you buy a guitar thinking it's all original in NOS condition and it turns out to be refinished with non original pickups then that is morally and ethically wrong.

Maybe the seller comes off douchey in his sales tactics and if over the top that's up to you if you want to do business with him. Honeslty I don't know who the seller is being discussed and maybe he is a dishonest but I fail to see him remembering the price paid let alone who he bought it from as a major ethical issue in this instance.

As someone who sells lots of gear I have a perfect feedback rating and stand behind everything I sell so don't try and question my ethics or bring my business into this conversation. Plenty of members here have bought thousands of dollars of gear off of me and can attest to my ethics. I also can't remember what I paid for every piece of gear I sell or sold.

If I list an item and there is something incorrect in my listing I correct it if someone lets me know that what I have in my description is inaccurate I will research and correct it, if there is an issue after the fact I will refund them. I am proud of my 100% feedback rating.

 

[tfridgen]

You fail to see the issue because you're ignoring the absolutely brilliant breakdown of the situation by RedPlated. It's a matter of ethics, plain and simple and I think it's bullshit that this guy would somehow forget how much he bought something for. I'm sure most here have a running tab in their heads of every deal they've done. If you think it's fine to lie to someone to make a sale, then that's your prerogative and that stance will be taken into account by this community when perusing your classified ads. I'm quite happy, and not a bit surprised that the majority of this board has a problem with this guy's moral code.

How does the seller failing to recall what he originally paid for the item wether it was a lie or truely did not remember have anything to do with the product he's selling at the given price he is asking.

Do you think you can get a Paypal or Ebay refund or a small claims judgement in your favor if your claim is "Seller lied about what he paid for the item a year ago therefore I want my money back, although item is as described."

Like I sated if you are defrauding someone by misrepresenting the item by hiding or omitting the truth regarding repairs or specs. Example you buy a guitar thinking it's all original in NOS condition and it turns out to be refinished with non original pickups then that is morally and ethically wrong.

Maybe the seller comes off douchey in his sales tactics and if over the top that's up to you if you want to do business with him. Honeslty I don't know who the seller is being discussed and maybe he is a dishonest but I fail to see him remembering the price paid let alone who he bought it from as a major ethical issue in this instance.

As someone who sells lots of gear I have a perfect feedback rating and stand behind everything I sell so don't try and question my ethics or bring my business into this conversation. Plenty of members here have bought thousands of dollars of gear off of me and can attest to my ethics. I also can't remember what I paid for every piece of gear I sell or sold.

If I list an item and there is something incorrect in my listing I correct it if someone lets me know that what I have in my description is inaccurate I will research and correct it, if there is an issue after the fact I will refund them. I am proud of my 100% feedback rating.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

Lol. Expcustom I think you forget a lot. Like that you went into business with a known criminal trying to sell his amps again. Yet have resorted to selling kemper profiles.

If you can't remember who you bought and sold to then you need to ease off on the pipe.

 

[EXPcustom]

Lol. Expcustom I think you forget a lot. Like that you went into business with a known criminal trying to sell his amps again. Yet have resorted to selling kemper profiles.

If you can't remember who you bought and sold to then you need to ease off on the pipe.

I'm sorry do I know you?

Anyone that has bought an amp through me has had it delivered a 100% of the time. Like I said anyone that has done business with me can attest to the fact I have taken care of them each time.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

With the wonders of 20th century technology i.e. Computers, email, Internet forum PM's it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who you bought and sold from and the price that it was had for.

This was a clear case of assholery on the part of the seller.

Most gear doesn't appreciate in value unless it is a rare bird. And 1 year doesn't warrant a $750 increase.