Shinedown. Not a fan but heard something interesting tonight

[Webb]

You tour for 7 years straight and your voice will be fucked too. Unfortunately it gets to a point where the machine is rolling and can't be stopped, so you do what you have to do to keep your part of it going. When people say the music biz is tough, this is partly what they are talking about.

I'm not disputing that his voice is shot from years of touring. I'm just saying if I go see a "live" band, I'd prefer to not see someone simply moving their mouth along with the prerecorded studio vocals. In that case, I'd rather stay home and listen to the CD. Brent is a great singer and I've been a Shinedown fan since "Fly From the Inside". I even like some of their new stuff, but c'mon... This is supposed to be a rock concert, not a fucking Justin Bieber show.

 

[the aXeman]

I've seen several bands do it. Rush is one thing, but the trigger the sampled parts at least... But it's for fullness... They don't need to prove they can play and for what they do, it's acceptable.

Shinedown's music doesn't mandate backing tracks... If they really use them, I'd wanna hear what they'd sound like WITHOUT them...


Anybody remember Wildside from the late 80's/early 90's?? They used programmed backups on the choruses and Jimmy D used triggered drum sounds... He was still playing everything but the drum tones were pre-recorded for fullness.... For that kind of use, I have no objection... To get the bigness and fullness of the production onstage is one thing... to compensate for other things... well....

 

[gtrwun]

You tour for 7 years straight and your voice will be fucked too. Unfortunately it gets to a point where the machine is rolling and can't be stopped, so you do what you have to do to keep your part of it going. When people say the music biz is tough, this is partly what they are talking about.

So.... The guys who toured in the 70's and 80's were different in what way? Did Rob Halford ever suck live? Nope. Did he tour non stop? Yes. I can throw out endless examples. I guess the guys in these new bands just can't hack it? They don't tour any harder than any of the older bands did. I'd much rather have heard Robert Plant on an off night in 1975 then pay my money and watch him lip sync. It's a @ucking disgrace. And all the guys saying its ok are purpetuating the problem. Keep slapping down your money to see this crap and they'll keep right on doing it.

 

[steve_k]

You tour for 7 years straight and your voice will be fucked too. Unfortunately it gets to a point where the machine is rolling and can't be stopped, so you do what you have to do to keep your part of it going. When people say the music biz is tough, this is partly what they are talking about.

So.... The guys who toured in the 70's and 80's were different in what way? Did Rob Halford ever suck live? Nope. Did he tour non stop? Yes. I can throw out endless examples. I guess the guys in these new bands just can't hack it? They don't tour any harder than any of the older bands did. I'd much rather have heard Robert Plant on an off night in 1975 then pay my money and watch him lip sync. It's a @ucking disgrace. And all the guys saying its ok are purpetuating the problem. Keep slapping down your money to see this crap and they'll keep right on doing it.

^^^^^ this ^^^^^

after jasin todd left, i lost interest in them anyway. the first couple years after "fly", they were shit hot though.

 

[ridner]

glad I do not have to worry about fake live shows w/ the music I am into

 

[reverymike]

The production of the 70s era was not what it is today. There wasn't the amount of layering, digital effects, sub-drops, etc. Bands use the protools tracks live to make it sound more like their recordings. Shinedown's records have an extraordinary amount of production (at least the last few did).

Brent's singing along with the track, and most likely, the prerecorded stuff is faded in and out - so he'll sing the verse live, and then on the higher parts of the chorus, the soundguy will bring up the fader with the prerecorded track and Brent will back off a little. They're still playing live, just with assistance.

That being said, I'd prefer to hear it totally live.

And, I agree with Steve -- I lost interest after Jasin Todd left - they were truly a live band back then. After they got huge, they had to keep the machine rolling and live up to their massively produced records.

 

[PhloridaMan]

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You be the judge...

 

[PhloridaMan]

I know it's just an acoustic performance... But should de-bunk any rumors that he can't sing at least... I have never been a fan nor have I seen the band live otherwise, but as far as modern bands like Trapt, Shinedown, Nickelback etc go... I think they are the best of the bunch...

 

[reverymike]

http://bcove.me/9lkxptqv

You be the judge...

Of course that was live. They're not going to use additional tracks at a radio station acoustic performance. The guy is a great singer - no doubt about it. He's known for being one of the better new rock vocalists out there today. That doesn't mean they don't use some extra tracks to help him out with some of the higher range stuff in a big concert environment. I don't think anyone is saying Brent is a lousy singer -- he's great. But, doing it night after night, and some of the higher register stuff can get to be pretty difficult. Someone along the way made the decision to let the audience hear what they are expecting to hear, rather than a guy struggling to hit the high notes now and then.

 

[MississippiMetal]

You tour for 7 years straight and your voice will be fucked too. Unfortunately it gets to a point where the machine is rolling and can't be stopped, so you do what you have to do to keep your part of it going. When people say the music biz is tough, this is partly what they are talking about.

So.... The guys who toured in the 70's and 80's were different in what way? Did Rob Halford ever suck live? Nope. Did he tour non stop? Yes. I can throw out endless examples. I guess the guys in these new bands just can't hack it? They don't tour any harder than any of the older bands did. I'd much rather have heard Robert Plant on an off night in 1975 then pay my money and watch him lip sync. It's a @ucking disgrace. And all the guys saying its ok are purpetuating the problem. Keep slapping down your money to see this crap and they'll keep right on doing it.

Okay we get it. Your era was the best time in music.

I said this in another thread, and I'll repeat it. Brent uses a technique of blending his vocal registers in much the same way as Chris Cornell and Sammy Hagar. Gary Cherone also uses this technique to a lesser degree, as does David Cook. It sounds cool, but it is not a technique that can be sustained for years of live performance. Brent, Chris, and Sammy are all experiencing tonal changes at best and difficulty and range impairment at worst as a result. Gary also doesn't have quite the range he used to, and David Cook won't either if he keeps up. Even Robert Plant is losing his voice.

Halford sustained his voice because his high power vocals are almost purely falsetto, which has been proven through the ages to be safe for the vocal chords. The same goes for many other metal vocalists with high range. Coverdale, Dickinson, etc. But you take anyone who has blended distortion of the vocal chords with higher range and done it for any number of years regularly and there is almost always a marked deterioration of range or change in tonality as a result.