Silver Jubilee vs JVM

[brianiac5150]

In all my years of playing, I've never owned a Marshall head until recently. I traded my Mark V for a JVM410H and it's everything I imagine when I think Marshall. Between all four channels and their three modes, I can't imagine something extremely close to a Jub' isn't on tap, plus soooo much more. It's a great amp, IMO.

 

[SavageRiffer]

In all my years of playing, I've never owned a Marshall head until recently. I traded my Mark V for a JVM410H and it's everything I imagine when I think Marshall. Between all four channels and their three modes, I can't imagine something extremely close to a Jub' isn't on tap, plus soooo much more. It's a great amp, IMO.

I haven't tried the JVM Satch model, but I heard it has a Silver Jubilee setting or AFD setting. I too had a Mark V which I really loved and regrettably sold, but at this point I would also prefer a JVM410 over the Mark V. Have you compared the JVM210 and 205 versions?

 

[brianiac5150]

Have you compared the JVM210 and 205 versions?

I've not compared them, however, the only time I've ever played a 210 was at an area guy's barn. The guitar, cables and condition were less than ideal (to say the least) and things sounded thin. It was a full stack and I didn't want to screw with his stuff, as he seemed easily bothered by any thoughts of "messing" with his stuff. One of those...ya know?

Anyway...a bit naively, I jumped into this recent Marshall trade without playing the amp, at all. CL trade and the guy seemed legit. Checked out a few vid's after his offer and met him later that night for a trade. He's a Petrucci fan and I (especially now) felt I was more a Marshall guy in denial, so it worked out for us both. I'm really happy with the JVM410H/1960A rig. It's got more gain than I'll ever use and it cleans up really well, too.

All that said, I'm certain the Jub' sounds fantastic, as well.

 

[Racerxrated]

I'm still befuddled by the Jubilee craze. I've owned two of the 50 watt 2X12's. One I pulled out of the box in 1988 and I could never get a tone I could use out of it below 8 on the master - painful levels. This was attempting hard rock in the 80's. Everyone wanted a modded Plexi, and the Jub didn't get there in my experience. I traded that Jubilee for an Ampeg SS-140C (yes, SOLID STATE, with stereo chorus) and got much better tones.

Fast forward 6 years and I bought another, this one used from Daddy's Junky Music. I figured the first one had to be a fluke. Second one was no better. By this point, I had gotten into lower gain roots and classic rock. That Jubilee routinely got kicked around by the old Peavey Classic series when they first came out.

Sorry for the threadjack, I just wonder what I was missing when I owned mine. I will tell you that at one point while I had the first one, I decided I needed to get it modded (it was the popular thing to do, of course). I can't remember if I called Jose or whom, but I was politely told to "call back when I bought a REAL Marshall...."

Times, they change I guess.

I'm speaking strictly about the new reissues. I have never played the 50w model from back then, and only have had a couple of hours on the old 100w model. I personally think the new one is better. There's no switching issue, the FX loop is fantastic, the external bias is great, the controls are very responsive, and it performs pretty well at low volumes which is what I use it for 90% of the time. For all the Friedmans and other modded Marshalls on the market, I have yet to find one that actually sounds better than a Marshall. Mods are cool for more gain, but I boost them anyway so I'm not buying into the pricey stuff anymore.

Don't let the fact of the DSL being made in Vietnam sway you

They are rock solid great sounding amps

I find them kind of thin/fizzy.

anyone else the same ?

Same thoughts here, not rock solid nor great sounding. Not even close to the older JCM 2000 DSL made in UK.

I haven't tried the new DSL's but I was really disappointed when they stopped making that model in the UK. However, I have played the new DSL100 and can't say necessarily that it's any less great sounding than the original. The DSLs have lots of midrange so I didn't perceive it as thin at all, and I found plenty of bass at 3:00 without using the deep function. If that is your experience then perhaps it might bring up the question whether there is as much consistency as their UK manufacturing. I doubt it, but perhaps.

My brother just saw Steve Vai jamming at a private party in Dubai last Saturday, and when he sent me the pix, Steve was playing thru a JVM 210 halfstack. Thought that was an interesting choice of back line rental.

I have seen several videos lately of Vai using Marshalls, and a few of him with his Legacy sitting on top of a Marshall. It would be something if he suddenly came out with a JVM Vai edition.

Sounds like you dig the low gain stuff. I boosted my Jubilees, sometimes twice to get the saturation I want. I wouldn't know how a Jub sounded without a boost, to be honest. Other than the clean channel. Most guys here are into gain gain and more gain....a plexi a Jubilee isn't lol....but if you're into modded Marshall high gain I'd put a boosted Jube up against any.

I always boost my amps with a Klon or other mild overdrive too, but I heard a guy playing an unboosted Jubilee with some Bareknuckle Painkillers that made me want to get a set of high-output pickups. It reminds me of Michael Schenker because I heard that he got his tone mainly fr om 50w Marshalls and high-output ceramic pickups.

Schenker used JCM 800 2205s, and they have a lot more gain than a Jube. No pedal needed, great amps also.

 

[Racerxrated]

I'm still befuddled by the Jubilee craze. I've owned two of the 50 watt 2X12's. One I pulled out of the box in 1988 and I could never get a tone I could use out of it below 8 on the master - painful levels. This was attempting hard rock in the 80's. Everyone wanted a modded Plexi, and the Jub didn't get there in my experience. I traded that Jubilee for an Ampeg SS-140C (yes, SOLID STATE, with stereo chorus) and got much better tones.

Fast forward 6 years and I bought another, this one used from Daddy's Junky Music. I figured the first one had to be a fluke. Second one was no better. By this point, I had gotten into lower gain roots and classic rock. That Jubilee routinely got kicked around by the old Peavey Classic series when they first came out.

Sorry for the threadjack, I just wonder what I was missing when I owned mine. I will tell you that at one point while I had the first one, I decided I needed to get it modded (it was the popular thing to do, of course). I can't remember if I called Jose or whom, but I was politely told to "call back when I bought a REAL Marshall...."

Times, they change I guess.

There were circuit changes in the jubilees, so maybe you got two early ones. I don't believe the combos had a choke either. I have always run my 2553 head through a 212 closed back cab. Used to use CL80's, now using WGS ET65s. Not sure how much I would enjoy the jubilee as a combo. I play a Peavey Classic 30 pretty regularly and I like my 2553 over it. The 2553 sounds better to me at all levels of gain and takes pedals better, but as you know amps vary and I may have a good one.

Only the 1X12 combos had a resistor in place of a choke, the rest had chokes. I like the 50w 1x12 combos best actually..through a cab of course. I also had recently a very early 2555...serial #0066@. The only difference to my ears over the #3000 and later is the bass response.... My newer ones bass on 6=10 on the early one. Really no difference to me, never used bass past 6 anyway.

 

[John 14:6]

Don't let the fact of the DSL being made in Vietnam sway you

They are rock solid great sounding amps

I find them kind of thin/fizzy.

anyone else the same ?

Same thoughts here, not rock solid nor great sounding. Not even close to the older JCM 2000 DSL made in UK.

They sound like the old ones to my ears. Jeff Beck and his guitar player Nicolas Meier are both using the new DSL and they sound just fine.

This clip don't sound too bad either. Especially for an amp that sells for $899 brand new.

 

[blackba]

Schenker used JCM 800 2205s, and they have a lot more gain than a Jube. No pedal needed, great amps also.

Only JCM I played was a 2 channel 112 combo and while it was more raw, I found the Jubilee had more gain, but was a smoother. Both took my maxon OD-808 really well. I could see owning both the 2 channel JCM800 and jubilee.

 

[Racerxrated]

Schenker used JCM 800 2205s, and they have a lot more gain than a Jube. No pedal needed, great amps also.

Only JCM I played was a 2 channel 112 combo and while it was more raw, I found the Jubilee had more gain, but was a smoother. Both took my maxon OD-808 really well. I could see owning both the 2 channel JCM800 and jubilee.

I guess I'm thinking later 80s model channel switchers, they have more gain than any Jube I've owned. They don't need a boost where a Jube IMO needs a nudge for 80s rock. Like you said, more raw and definitely different enough for a guy collecting Marshalls.

 

[Badronald]

I'm still befuddled by the Jubilee craze. I've owned two of the 50 watt 2X12's. One I pulled out of the box in 1988 and I could never get a tone I could use out of it below 8 on the master - painful levels. This was attempting hard rock in the 80's. Everyone wanted a modded Plexi, and the Jub didn't get there in my experience. I traded that Jubilee for an Ampeg SS-140C (yes, SOLID STATE, with stereo chorus) and got much better tones.

Fast forward 6 years and I bought another, this one used from Daddy's Junky Music. I figured the first one had to be a fluke. Second one was no better. By this point, I had gotten into lower gain roots and classic rock. That Jubilee routinely got kicked around by the old Peavey Classic series when they first came out.

Sorry for the threadjack, I just wonder what I was missing when I owned mine. I will tell you that at one point while I had the first one, I decided I needed to get it modded (it was the popular thing to do, of course). I can't remember if I called Jose or whom, but I was politely told to "call back when I bought a REAL Marshall...."

Times, they change I guess.

I had the same opinion back then.

I had the opportunity to pick up a Jubilee 100 watt head. There was one in the shop and I vaguely remember playing through it and though it sounded good. However at the time I was using a Mesa MK head through two 4x12's and I remember thinking, "I would NEVER get rid of the Mesa to get this thing". I was into (Death Angel, Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica, Testament) so for me, at the time, the Mesa destroyed the Jubilee.

The Jubilee's do sound good, just not for me. If I'm using a Marshall it's typically a Plexi.

 

[sahlomonic]

Don't let the fact of the DSL being made in Vietnam sway you

They are rock solid great sounding amps

I find them kind of thin/fizzy.

anyone else the same ?

Not really. For a couple weeks I had my buddy's JCM2000 DSL50 (with =C= tubes) next to my DSL100H with stock tubes. Maybe a 'tad' fizzy, but nothing that can't be dialed out with EQ, new tubes, or straight up volume. Other than that, same. amp. If you heard both in a blind test you wouldn't know the DSL100H is made in Viet-fucking-nam.