Slaving: what I use...looking for comments

[glpg80]

what are you using for EQ?

could try an iso-transformer to help with the noise floor if its a separate unit if your wet signal is bypassing 100% through it. just a thought.

another thing i could recommend is looking at the cables you use, to help benefit the high end loss on the dry side. i know colossal cables have a higher presence to them and could help you balance it out.

as far as the treble, if you didnt want to make the dry side even with the current setup and decrease the treble on the wet side, then finding the cause of the brightness is you next step.

you mentioned treble canceling. somehow phase control comes to mind. if anything it should accentuate the frequencies, ala a stereo setup, and not cancel them.

i am not familiar with the ISO box you use, and i havent seen a schematic or anything or had the chance to look at one to see whats going on. i have heard rumors that it uses an isolation transformer, much smaller than the 120V one i recommended a second ago. if this is the case, the transformer is part of the tone sequence, and not parallel to it. also, the phase change of the transformer internally of the ISO box would be another reason i think you might have frequency cancelations with your EQ.

 

[Greazygeo]

Sounds like you are slaving, re-amping is something different. Anyway, I'd try running all the same speakers instead of cabs with different ones. Mixing speakers has never worked for me for all the phase cancellations, drives me nuts.

I ran a rig like that for years. The difference was loading down the main head then splitting the signal three ways and powering each cab with a different amp....I didnt power the dry cab straight from the main amp. Try your Carvin powering the wet cabs and the mosvalve powering the dry.

 

[stefvorcide]

Dave, if it sounds good....

 

[FUZZboat]

Dave, if it sounds good....

I agree 100%

Your clps are always killer !!

BTW, is that how you recorded your Blackstar HT-5 clips or were those clips "naked" just the amp itself ?

 

[stefvorcide]

I need more cabs myself to slave my amp... sounds fun to have a W/D/W rig

 

[glpg80]

hey dave, with your slaved rig you have now, do you lose the punch that you get with tubed amplifiers? like, response? not really a tone thing, more playing is my question.

im considering doing a W/D setup in the future. just curious

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

me thinks the SS smps could be contributing to the brightness.


when i slave into the Marshall 9200, it's brighter than the Cornford being slaved, which is what i want.

when i slave the Herbert into the Mesa Strategy 500, they're pretty close to the same sound.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

i thought i remembered you posting about the Marshall.

mines has 5881's, and it seems bright slaved, and was bright with the Axe FX. so who knows?

 

[loudgtr]

Sounds like you are slaving, re-amping is something different. Anyway, I'd try running all the same speakers instead of cabs with different ones. Mixing speakers has never worked for me for all the phase cancellations, drives me nuts.

I ran a rig like that for years. The difference was loading down the main head then splitting the signal three ways and powering each cab with a different amp....I didnt power the dry cab straight from the main amp. Try your Carvin powering the wet cabs and the mosvalve powering the dry.

I meant slaving . I know re-amping is use with recordings to add effects, etc.

I dont want to completly load down the head. I like the dry cabinet sound...but I wish I could get a "true" sound (think the same sound as the dry) for my wet cabinets at which point I can add effects. I really like my sound right now...it is just that I have to use heavy EQing on my cabs... I may just have to try you suggestion.

Hey Dave,

The comment above suggesting using the same speakers is imho a really good one. Your youtube clip of MR. Scary with the 2 same speaker loaded cabs sounds absolutley killer! The last 2 clips with the black strat sounded very washey to me; sorry man I watched and thought something not right here, possibly the phasing issue. Maybe because of the different camera angle as well.

Go back to that MR. Scary set-up and put that Flanger in front with the special sauce settings and give us some Le Tekro love I can't wait; I bet it will sound great

 

[Digital Jams]

Sometimes I look at what I am running just for basement play and have to laugh at myself...............4 el34s and 4 6550s and 12 various speakers

I run a vht2502 and will be looking for a ss solution soon as that many tubes is a tad rediculous...............but it sounds freaking great I am not seeing the need to really eq the wet cabs due to different freqs being pronounced but I am hearing the chararter of each speaker. I will use GBs for the dry cab and have v30s and h30s for the wet, they are darker than the gbs and like where they fall for the fx.

Are you using dry kill out from the intellifex or 100% wet?

 

[stefvorcide]

when i slave the Herbert into the Mesa Strategy 500, they're pretty close to the same sound.

that must be LOUUUUDDDD !!!!!!

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

when i slave the Herbert into the Mesa Strategy 500, they're pretty close to the same sound.

that must be LOUUUUDDDD !!!!!!

definitely fun! damn sure has some serious thump!

 

[stefvorcide]

I have to find a strategy 500 and another cab.....

 

[glpg80]

are you guys trying to kill small animals and the elderly?

 

[Greazygeo]

I meant slaving . I know re-amping is use with recordings to add effects, etc.

I dont want to completly load down the head. I like the dry cabinet sound...but I wish I could get a "true" sound (think the same sound as the dry) for my wet cabinets at which point I can add effects. I really like my sound right now...it is just that I have to use heavy EQing on my cabs... I may just have to try you suggestion.

Have you tried reversing the phase on either the wet or dry cabs?

 

[jasonP]

I run a suhr iso box that runs into a lexicon and on to a strategy 500. Then off to four 4x12's wet. With another 2x12 and 4x12 for the dry cabinets.
What I find is that the ISO box does make the sound brighter then if I were to take it out of the effect send out of the pre-amp. I find either way I can make it work with good results. Either buy turning up the presence on the power amp or down along with deep controls. I like to use the ISO box as then I don't get the hum and it is much quieter, also nice to have the level knob to turn up or down the wet cabs as I don't run them 100 percent wet.
Yeah I wonder if the ISO box has any eqing going on inside?
Dave have you tried just going straight into your power amps and then using the power amp controls to do the job?

 

[jasonP]

I run a suhr iso box that runs into a lexicon and on to a strategy 500. Then off to four 4x12's wet. With another 2x12 and 4x12 for the dry cabinets.
What I find is that the ISO box does make the sound brighter then if I were to take it out of the effect send out of the pre-amp. I find either way I can make it work with good results. Either buy turning up the presence on the power amp or down along with deep controls. I like to use the ISO box as then I don't get the hum and it is much quieter, also nice to have the level knob to turn up or down the wet cabs as I don't run them 100 percent wet.
Yeah I wonder if the ISO box has any eqing going on inside?
Dave have you tried just going straight into your power amps and then using the power amp controls to do the job?

Thanks for the response... you results make me wonder. I am thinking about posting this in the Suhr forum.

I have tried going straight into a power amp and using the power amps controls. The signal is still brighter. The cool thing about the MosValve is that it has a presence control.

Dave do you think that the ISO box is just adding treble or are we loosing bass? I wonder if turning the deep on the Marshall power amp would help... Also to me it almost sounds like you do have a phase issue as if adding the treble in the wet cab is effecting the dry cab. It's like canceling out the sound.

 

[glpg80]

FWIW, I know that signal phase is not an issue since the ISO box has a phase switch.

thats good to know. sounds to me like you have a post EQ speaker phase issue then. cant wait to hear the results of your test

hey dave, you prefer tubed or SS poweramps for wet? loud volume levels and/or friendly volumes either way.

im thinking of grabbing a carvin, not sure what else is out there though. a built in EQ or resonance/presence control would be nice, low maintenance and excellent performance/quality sound characteristics would be even better. price ~ 3-5.

 

[stratotone]

Sometimes I look at what I am running just for basement play and have to laugh at myself...............4 el34s and 4 6550s and 12 various speakers

I run a vht2502 and will be looking for a ss solution soon as that many tubes is a tad rediculous...............but it sounds freaking great

If it sounds great and you already have the gear, leave it alone! If I ever get my housing situation straightened out, I'm going to try my Ecstasy into the bogner 4x12, then line out into my axe-fx and from that into a VHT 2/90/2 into a V30 loaded marshall cab and a '76 Marshall with blackbacks. I'm really looking forward to being able to try crazy amp setups that I could never do live or at band rehearsals

 

[Shark Diver]

I think Digital Jams already asked, but are your wet cabs 100% wet? Seems if they were you wouldn't have phase issues.

I am experimenting right now with a dry cab, and take a signal off of a Palmer 03 (speaker simmed) for FX and running the wet through wedges. Actually really sounds great. But I don't use a lot of FX, and there is no dry in there.