So, Creamback 65 won't do metal, eh? My Deliverance & 65's

[JerEvil]

... Here's an iPhone vid. JerEvil, I will have your recording setup one day but for now I hope this gives an idea, its loud, you can see it shaking my phone on the floor hahah

V30 cab on right, greenback cab on left
https://youtu.be/xvLLLZRqnck

Hell man... I'll take your amp set up for my recording set up! LOL! Sounds killer!

 

[stephen sawall]

Sounds great

 

[LunatiBSW]

Haha that did get wierd in the middle. But back to greenbacks, they sound fucking great with Marshall amps, they do a very good job with the slax, I'll get a quick snip tomorrow with just the greenies so you can get a better idea.

 

[JackBootedThug]

bye Danyeo_.......

not to be confused with the o.g. danyeo ...

 

[Hardvalve]

This looks familiar.....

 

[RJF]

Metal huh? IDK man, pretty heavy in the mid range to me. Don't know if it's your EQ settings, but I do know from clips that creambacks seem to have a pretty big mid hump to them. But, metal to one person might not be metal to the next too.

 

[JerEvil]

Metal huh? IDK man, pretty heavy in the mid range to me. Don't know if it's your EQ settings, but I do know from clips that creambacks seem to have a pretty big mid hump to them. But, metal to one person might not be metal to the next too.

Yeah it's a very broad term.

 

[fusedbrain]

I always thought genre's were defined by the notes you played, not the speakers you used.
Having said that, I still think the M65 creamback is a little loose in the low end, and that is not typically what guys who play "metal" are looking for. The H75 creamback is much tighter in the lows, and would likely be the preferred choice for guys rocking recto's and uberschall's etc...
I do think the m65's are a great solution for a 2x12 to go with something like a plexi or jcm800.

 

[JamesPeters]

I guess if your sound has more midrange, it's not metal. So then Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Whitesnake, RATT, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Queensryche, KISS, Motorhead, etc. aren't metal. I learn something new every day.

 

[fusedbrain]

No, I get what you're saying. I guess maybe I should have said "modern metal". I don't know? I thought the reference to the recto's and uberschall's would clarify that.
All I was getting at was if your the type of player that likes to dial in a lot of low end on their amps, and wants it to be on the tighter side, maybe the m65 is not a great choice.

 

[JamesPeters]

No, I get what you're saying. I guess maybe I should have said "modern metal". I don't know? I thought the reference to the recto's and uberschall's would clarify that.
All I was getting at was if your the type of player that likes to dial in a lot of low end on their amps, and wants it to be on the tighter side, maybe the m65 is not a great choice.

That's fair. I personally prefer Chinese V30s (the standard "you'll find this at dealers in stock" V30) because I like the strong edge on the attack, plus the "cut" they have...because I play metal. Heavier and "more modern" stuff, usually, I mean. I've tried so many speakers now it makes my head spin to think of them all, but Chinese V30 are what I find most comfortable for heavier stuff.

 

[nigelpkay]

I just picked up a Traynor 4x12 with v30s (Chinese) yesterday (in preparation for my incoming Peters Vega/FSM), and it sounds amazing.
I have a Marshall 2x12 with creamback 65s and it will do metal of course with its tighter bigger bottom end vs greenbacks, but not as well as v30s. The creambacks are perfect for running a 100 watt Marshall into a 2x12 and getting that great hard rock and 80s metal sound. But they hang in there for modern metal too.

 

[RJF]

I guess if your sound has more midrange, it's not metal. So then Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Whitesnake, RATT, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Queensryche, KISS, Motorhead, etc. aren't metal. I learn something new every day.

Well, other than about JP and IM, the rest of those bands weren't really metal when they were out.

But yeah, I also meant modern metal. When someone says "sounds like metal" I usually default to what is current and relevant. Classic metal? Good stuff, just different.

 

[maddnotez]

I'm new to speaker "testing" and am a noob.

I've been living the V30 life for a very long time. I have English V30 in my 412 and it's sounds crushing. I've also done the X with WGS 75's and Chinese V30, sounded really great as well but I just got a 2x12 with Eminence Legends and holy shit. Best sound I've ever had imo.

After playing them for a bit makes the V30 seem very scooped because the mid range in the Legends seems much more present. I'm going to practice today with my 412 with V30 for the first time in a while because my 212 is home and I'm not lugging that shit today. Curious to see what I think but I won't be surprised if I leave wanting to sell my V30's for some more Legends (or something else to try)

TL;DR The longer I play the more I like mids. I used to scoop the mids on my crate stacks when I was younger but these days I like a nice amount (subjective) of mids from my amp and apparently prefer middy speakers as well.

 

[JamesPeters]

Well, other than about JP and IM, the rest of those bands weren't really metal when they were out.

But yeah, I also meant modern metal. When someone says "sounds like metal" I usually default to what is current and relevant. Classic metal? Good stuff, just different.

I'm curious what "modern metal" these speakers "can't do" though. I'm certain they could perform well for pretty much any metal. Whether someone prefers them for that or not is a matter of taste. Some use greenbacks for death metal.

 

[maddnotez]

Well, other than about JP and IM, the rest of those bands weren't really metal when they were out.

But yeah, I also meant modern metal. When someone says "sounds like metal" I usually default to what is current and relevant. Classic metal? Good stuff, just different.

I'm curious what "modern metal" these speakers "can't do" though. I'm certain they could perform well for pretty much any metal. Whether someone prefers them for that or not is a matter of taste. Some use greenbacks for death metal.

Yeah I guess any speaker could cover any genre but imo it just depends on the rest of your gear and why sounds you like.

For example my drummer has an Avatar with Celestion 7080's. With my VHT it sounded horrible and I'd never use that cab but with my Bogner it's acceptable and not half bad.

 

[JamesPeters]

Yeah I guess any speaker could cover any genre but imo it just depends on the rest of your gear and why sounds you like.

For example my drummer has an Avatar with Celestion 7080's. With my VHT it sounded horrible and I'd never use that cab but with my Bogner it's acceptable and not half bad.

No disagreement at all!

I used to say things like "won't do metal" or "can't do SRV" etc. but every time someone would prove me wrong. Eventually I realized it was more about my preferences and how I play. One of the things about having grown up in the 80s and playing metal was being "forced" to use gear you didn't like sometimes (or all-times)...like a solid state Yamaha triangular-shaped head through a Kustom sparkle cab while trying to get a Slayer sound. Getting a sound suitable for what you were playing sometimes meant workarounds including: hitting the strings harder/muting more carefully, using EQ pedals, using amp settings with less bass and more mids, etc. Surprisingly sometimes the sound was really good.

These days, we have it a lot easier, with a lot more choices from various manufacturers (and a lot of them are used in more speaker cabs than ever, reducing the number of "total garbage" OEM speakers). To nitpick to the point of saying some really good Celestion speaker "doesn't do metal"--a speaker that's a close relative to speakers that the same person would say "does metal well"--I just find it a bit funny.

 

[stephen sawall]

I've really been into the scooped stuff again lately. The Sig X and Deliverance sound amazing scooped.

I guess everyone knows the cab is at least as important as the speaker.

 

[JerEvil]

I've really been into the scooped stuff again lately. The Sig X and Deliverance sound amazing scooped.

I guess everyone knows the cab is at least as important as the speaker.

I can't wait for my Sig to get here! I already miss the D60 though...

 

[stephen sawall]

Lately I am using a LP with JB into the Sig X and Deliverance 120 with a 4x12 each. H30/V30 and greenback/V30. Using a Fulltone ABY.

Using both amps at the same time can get some pretty big sounds. A wall of sound. But prefer using one or the other usually. Both amps sound good with either cab.

You can set the gain stages the same with the Lead and Rhythm channels on the Sig X....so it does not go out of phase with both amps when switch channels.

I was using the Sig X and THD Flexi (KT66) in this rig for awhile.... But think I prefer the two Fryette for what I'm doing now. I really need to do the Flexi and Deliverance together more and see what it can do.

If I am only using one amp it usually is the Sig X.... because it can do about any type of sound I want.