So I bought a Tonex

i'm using Tonex One now, i've had great results. I keep it in stomp mode most of the time using some Jason Sadites profiles of a Protein drive. When I need to go direct, switch it to dual mode. Usually a great sounding plexi or tone king. The new editor makes it much more usable.
 
Killcrop said:
I knew getting into this that I wasn’t super excited about doing the tone capture. But I was led to believe the presets were good. Some setting are ok but most are not. The stock settings are basically a bigger version of this

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The stock sounds in the Tonex are garbage and so is their software. With that said, with the right captures, it can sound okay, but it never went beyond that even after spending hours in tonenet auditioning sounds. I'd rather use a line 6 or a fractal device if going digital.
 
Spaceboy said:
You bought something, don’t like the stock sound, and refuse to explore its full potential? Okay, great review lol.
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The basic sound stays the same. Amp emulation. Cheap Converters. Digital sound and feel. That's it.
 
I was going to suggest checking out NAM, but since exploring Tonex beyond stock profiles proved to be a feat too big it might be best to stick with your current rig.

Edit: Both Tonex pedals don't have cheap converters. Meanwhile some ultra cheap pedals that have a possibility to host for example NAM profiles might not be able to playback the profile without loss in quality.
 
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Got a Tonex One and I really like it. I had to search for some tones I liked and found a few. Then I captured my Marshall Plexi + IR and am quite pleased with that result. It’s not an exact 1 to 1 copy of the Plexi and my 4x12, but the tone is actually quite close and 100% usable without ear shattering volumes when I don’t want to crank the amp up.

Plus, the T1 EQ allows me to tone shape it beyond what I could in reality.

The tones in Tonenet are a mixed bag, but there are thousands in there, so something for everyone.

It may be a bit quirky, but overall, I am a fan
 
There are a ton of terrible user captures across all profiles.. but I imported a Superlead and then an extensive capture of Dave's BE- dlx synergy module and it was pretty good through Codex in Genome. That said, you REALLY have to dig.
 
Nahka said:
I was going to suggest checking out NAM, but since exploring Tonex beyond stock profiles proved to be a feat too big it might be best to stick with your current rig.

Edit: Both Tonex pedals don't have cheap converters. Meanwhile some ultra cheap pedals that have a possibility to host for example NAM profiles might not be able to playback the profile without loss in quality.
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It's more than just the Converters. The Converter, probably something like this, is a few bucks. Actually they are all pretty cheap. :D
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I’ve used their free software and found some great profiles. When I first tried a kemper I thought it was terrible. Years later, bought one, got some good packs and it’s amazing.

Can’t emphasise how important it is to find a great capture. All these things are only as good as that. Is amazing to me even in like Neural DSP plugins how terrible to me some of the artist profiles sound. Yet sound good when other people demo. Goes to show how we all hear things differently WHILE PLAYING, plus feel/fingers/ear connection.

Did you say what you are playing it through?
 
marvcus said:
Got a Tonex One and I really like it. I had to search for some tones I liked and found a few. Then I captured my Marshall Plexi + IR and am quite pleased with that result. It’s not an exact 1 to 1 copy of the Plexi and my 4x12, but the tone is actually quite close and 100% usable without ear shattering volumes when I don’t want to crank the amp up.

Plus, the T1 EQ allows me to tone shape it beyond what I could in reality.

The tones in Tonenet are a mixed bag, but there are thousands in there, so something for everyone.

It may be a bit quirky, but overall, I am a fan
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I bought some high gain capture packs, and that helped a lot. I also find using DI captures and adding my own IR is way better than captures that include the mics. I am going to get a new computer soon so I can capture my own amps.

I think the ToneX sounds, and more specifically, feels better than many of the other digital units I have tried. I think it is the closest to sounding and feeling like an amp in the room that I have played.
 
jchrisf said:
If you have to pay to get decent captures.. it sounds like a money pit.
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not only that, it sounds like the explosion of IRs a few years back when thousands of IRs flooded the free / pay market; now it's an overwhelming number of captures... and IRs

Even if I think about my Fractal FM9 MkII Turbo...I can take one amp, and let's say 10 cabs to pair with that one amp; now I have all kinds of tweaking, mics, mic placement, etc. it's probably well into 100+ options. How do you remember which combination of settings is which, and then compare them?

Blue Cat Audio's Axiom contains their Destructor plugin, which comes with presets that represent real or imagined amps, but under the covers it's a tone shaping / sculpting tool. Once I started using it, nothing even comes close.

Turns out my favorite plugin, PolyChromeDSP McRocklin Suite, is conceptually a simplified version of Destructor tone shaping approach in a UI that's more familiar to guitarists.

As I thought about it, Destructor is very similar to my old ADA MP-2 with pre-post EQ, and a selectable pre-amp model...which is also similar to my ISP Theta Michael Sweet gear.


Tone shaping and sculpting is all about EQ. It works great for me, and I don't have to sort and sift through hundreds or thousands of IRs, profiles, captures, etc., then compare and contrast them.


Here's what Destructor in advanced mode looks like, with three sections: pre-, destruction, and post-.


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Shask said:
You don't have to, it is just an option. You can make your own, or sort through free ones.
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that's my biggest issue with captures and IRs: sorting through them to find ones I like...of course once you find them, it's great...but there are always new ones.

Tone shaping / sculpting is a better approach for me.
 
rsm said:
that's my biggest issue with captures and IRs: sorting through them to find ones I like...of course once you find them, it's great...but there are always new ones.

Tone shaping / sculpting is a better approach for me.
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I was on that team for years as a big Fractal user. I would prefer to tweak than sort. However, messing with ToneX over the past year, I am finding capture technology to have better dynamics, and sound more like an amp, instead of a recording of an amp. I am finding I am just enjoying playing more, instead of always trying to tweak a parameter to fix what seems off.

Honestly, I only use a couple of tones, so once I find 2-3 captures I love, I really don't need to search for more.

I just find most modelers to sound and feel more like a recording of an amp, than an amp in the room. One thing I love about ToneX is I can take a DI capture and put it through a small SS poweramp and cab, and it sounds and feels like the original amp. I don't really get that as close with modelers.
 
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I was on that team for years as a big Fractal user. I would prefer to tweak than sort. However, messing with ToneX over the past year, I am finding capture technology to have better dynamics, and sound more like an amp, instead of a recording of an amp. I am finding I am just enjoying playing more, instead of always trying to tweak a parameter to fix what seems off.

Honestly, I only use a couple of tones, so once I find 2-3 captures I love, I really don't need to search for more.

I just find most modelers to sound and feel more like a recording of an amp, than an amp in the room. One thing I love about ToneX is I can take a DI capture and put it through a small SS poweramp and cab, and it sounds and feels like the original amp. I don't really get that as close with modelers.
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Do you have to sort through hundreds of captures to find a singular good one, or is the hit ratio higher than that?

Every once in a while I think about these capture boxes and using other people’s captures but then I remember the near-decade of using my axe FX II nearly exclusively, and how I don’t think I ever downloaded someone else’s patch and thought it sounded good.

I think if I were to get one, the nano cortex would be the one (despite the cloud based iPhone marketing company vibe they give off) so I could just capture my own amps without any additional hardware. The tonex and nam look real cool for capturing your own stuff but I just know I would very rarely if ever be motivated enough to get other external gear all hooked up to capture. I also don’t have a good interface to use.
 
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mnemonic said:
Do you have to sort through hundreds of captures to find a singular good one, or is the hit ratio higher than that?

Every once in a while I think about these capture boxes and using other people’s captures but then I remember the near-decade of using my axe FX II nearly exclusively, and how I don’t think I ever downloaded someone else’s patch and thought it sounded good.

I think if I were to get one, the nano cortex would be the one (despite the cloud based iPhone marketing company vibe they give off) so I could just capture my own amps without any additional hardware. The tonex and nam look real cool for capturing your own stuff but I just know I would very rarely if ever be motivated enough to get other external gear all hooked up to capture. I also don’t have a good interface to use.
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It's not as bad as people make it out to be if you know what your looking for. For example, search Recto, pick amp only, amp+ cab, or amp+boost, and search. You can sort by favorited or most likes to bring the best to the top. If you limit your search, you will get better results.

Honestly, I spend more time eqing whatever I find, which is common for me. Even with tube amps I tend to use a general EQ, and then put an EQ pedal in the loop to dial in what I want.

I have looked at the Nano, but I just never get good vibes from that company. Not a fan of how they operate. Capturing in the box would be nice, but then you are stuck with a phone app and a cloud. No other way to manage your work. I know lots of metal guys have switched to the QC, but I dunnnnnno, lol.
 
Shask said:
It's not as bad as people make it out to be if you know what your looking for. For example, search Recto, pick amp only, amp+ cab, or amp+boost, and search. You can sort by favorited or most likes to bring the best to the top. If you limit your search, you will get better results.

Honestly, I spend more time eqing whatever I find, which is common for me. Even with tube amps I tend to use a general EQ, and then put an EQ pedal in the loop to dial in what I want.

I have looked at the Nano, but I just never get good vibes from that company. Not a fan of how they operate. Capturing in the box would be nice, but then you are stuck with a phone app and a cloud. No other way to manage your work. I know lots of metal guys have switched to the QC, but I dunnnnnno, lol.
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I had a QC and switched to a Nano. Love the Nano. The iPhone app and cloud work well. If you're just making and using your own captures (like me), then there's not much to do in the app other than assign footswitches and set levels among the four switchable presets.

Once it's set up, you don't need the app any more. I just use the pedal 99% of the time.
 
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