So is there really any point to having a 4x12 anymore?

[squank]

I find using a Recto 412 when playing live is the perfect height for supporting drinks. Anything lower, would be a struggle.

lol. My gear is off limits for drinks. I've already had a drunk guitarist put his beer atop my bass amp and, not 5 minutes later, fall into it. We were rocking out, then someone asks, "what's that burning smell?" and I see steam coming out of my overturned amp.

He never reimbursed me or replaced it.

Fucking douche.

LOL I've had those experiences, but luckily they've only spilled on the gear, not into it

One time my singer was taking a swig between songs at a gig. He walked over and set his drink on top of my amp. I immediately picked it up as he turned to walk back to his mic. I set it down right behind him on the stage. Of course, during the next song, he knocked it over. He yelled "Who put that drink right there where it could spill?" I told him I was just doing exactly what he did. He got the message.

 

[Hemi113]

LOL I've had those experiences, but luckily they've only spilled on the gear, not into it

One time my singer was taking a swig between songs at a gig. He walked over and set his drink on top of my amp. I immediately picked it up as he turned to walk back to his mic. I set it down right behind him on the stage. Of course, during the next song, he knocked it over. He yelled "Who put that drink right there where it could spill?" I told him I was just doing exactly what he did. He got the message.

 

[Spaceboy]

not to mention the discovery that one of the most brutal bands I listen to is only one guitarist using a digital rig and a drummer. no bass. blew my mind.

This is actually common in the brutal/slam death metal world. It's an odd thing to see, but cool... definitely more talent than I'm capable of.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

No matter what your tone is, if you are stepping on the other instruments frequencies you sound worse.

You can ONLY think about guitar sounds in the two proper contexts; playing alone and playing with others.( which includes recordings. )

Never confuse these or reference one while speaking of the other.

A good sound in my ears is one that works perfectly in the context of a mix so not stepping on others frequencies is a priority.

The statements that get thrown around often in discussions is "thats what they always did before so its right". Comical at best.

Ignorance is no excuse for a poorer result, we now know SO much more about the science of sound that much of the guesswork used previously is gone. we have concrete scientific answers now; in the future.

 

[colimofsmoke]

not to mention the discovery that one of the most brutal bands I listen to is only one guitarist using a digital rig and a drummer. no bass. blew my mind.

This is actually common in the brutal/slam death metal world. It's an odd thing to see, but cool... definitely more talent than I'm capable of.

yeah, on the other hand it makes sense. listening to the album, I was like, damn, there's so many changes and different time signatures and total chaos in between, I can't believe these guys can play together. turns out, only one guy on strings has to keep track of the changes...

 

[RIFF]

No matter what your tone is, if you are stepping on the other instruments frequencies you sound worse.

You can ONLY think about guitar sounds in the two proper contexts; playing alone and playing with others.( which includes recordings. )

Never confuse these or reference one while speaking of the other.

A good sound in my ears is one that works perfectly in the context of a mix so not stepping on others frequencies is a priority.

The statements that get thrown around often in discussions is "thats what they always did before so its right". Comical at best.

Ignorance is no excuse for a poorer result, we now know SO much more about the science of sound that much of the guesswork used previously is gone. we have concrete scientific answers now; in the future.

There are so may bedroom players & tin-ears these days that really dont have a clue... To them, the height of good tone is a low volume boomy chug.

 

[steve_k]

Wait. Has perceived penis size been mentioned as a reason to have and use 4x12s yet??

Just wondering. Cuz, well, this is a valid reason.

Mo

My cock is much bigger than average.....

 

[Mesa\Kramer]

For "Rock" of all kinds (heavy Rock. Metal etc) nothing sounds better than a 4x12.
Put wheels on them, and very easy to haul around.

But, I can't fit a 4x12 in the back of my Mustang, so all of my 4x12's sit at home in favor of a 2x12.

 

[jcj]

Can't get the thump with anything else.

So true.

 

[Zachman]

Love me some 4x12's

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Wow Zachman that live rig is unbelievable. seems like infinite tones. \m/

 

[tripstan]

Wait. Has perceived penis size been mentioned as a reason to have and use 4x12s yet??

Just wondering. Cuz, well, this is a valid reason.

Mo

My cock is much bigger than average.....

My tone doesn't touch the bottom of the tuna can but it sure does scrape the sides.

 

[Zachman]

Wow Zachman that live rig is unbelievable. seems like infinite tones. \m/

Ya, that about sums it up. The rig will pretty much do whatever you want. I LOVE it!

 

[squank]

Love me some 4x12's

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 45 minute set

 

[Zachman]

Love me some 4x12's

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 45 minute set

Depends on what the 45 min gig pays.

Those were typically 2 hour concert shows.

 

[Zachman]

Wait. Has perceived penis size been mentioned as a reason to have and use 4x12s yet??

Just wondering. Cuz, well, this is a valid reason.

Mo

My cock is much bigger than average.....

I Love this pic!

 

[squank]

Love me some 4x12's

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 45 minute set

Depends on what the 45 min gig pays.

Those were typically 2 hour concert shows.

Yea, man, I was just bustin' your chops. I play in an original band, and that's the only complaint I have - hauling all the gear for 45 minutes of fun. And no, they don't pay very well at all

 

[Zachman]

Love me some 4x12's

That's a lot of gear to carry for a 45 minute set

Depends on what the 45 min gig pays.

Those were typically 2 hour concert shows.

Yea, man, I was just bustin' your chops. I play in an original band, and that's the only complaint I have - hauling all the gear for 45 minutes of fun. And no, they don't pay very well at all

I hear you. Been there too. For club gigs, pubs and such nowadays-- I usually just take a Boogie MKIII combo or MKIII head and 1x12, a pedal or 3-4 and 1 rack processor-- That's usually it, oh and at least 2 guitars (1 backup).

Porn shot

 

[Stone Heavy Sound]

4x12 is louder than 2x12, assuming the load, speakers and box are the same. It's physics. More surface area will vibrate more air. In theory, double the surface area = 3db increase in output.

 

[mchn13]

Jeez zach that rig is holy grail for almost everything!