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So in my never ending quest for sound/tone/ease of gear.. the other day I was pondering the difference in my tone alone vs being in the mix of my goofy garage band. Needless to say sometimes great and sometimes not. I wanted ease of volume match between my main amp (Marshall/slo/Larry/EVH-take pick) and the Axe/fx through the PS100. The Lehle ABY allowed multiple target amps without phase issues. As good as it is; there is never ending tweaking to get them equal in volume (wet vs dry signals). I would come from practice occasionally wondering wtf and then boom-That’s it. Next time it’s gone.
Anyway I pulled the axe. And with intention to evaluate re-amping the amp to control volume. I’m told I’m too loud ?. I used the SLO 100 slave out to the PS100 and SLO speaker out to cab. Fuck me! Not only better.. way better and much easier. Still too loud though. So SLO speaker out to PS100 to reamp. And the effects send from SLO to H90 to a power amp then to the cab. A lot going on but very simple. Reamping the main amp (your pick) from speaker cab out to PS100 As well as from the effects out into another power amp thus making a W/D into a stereo 4x12 (effectively 2-2x12’s).

Did the same with the Marshall and Larry.
The Larry is crazy… speaker output to PS100 to control volume. PS100 with H9 in effects loop with on/off control for solo only ->2x12 of a 4x12
The effects loop send of the Larry to the eventide H90 then out to the mike B Mesa modded M180 power section ->> 2x12 of the 4x12.

So a stereo 4x12 is powered by 2 separate power amps, one with effects, one dry unless a solo and then it’s just bit of delay. The tone is generated by Larry. SLO100 and the Marshall all quite similar.

I’m enamored by ease, simplicity and my tone with minimal tweaking now. It’s there.
It’s taken me years to get this and there are probably folks who have been on this wagon for a long time… I fell asleep for 2 nights thinking about it and woke up thinking about it. Had practice last night and without a doubt “the beast from the midsouth” is controlled. Merry Christmas.
 

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So in my never ending quest for sound/tone/ease of gear.. the other day I was pondering the difference in my tone alone vs being in the mix of my goofy garage band. Needless to say sometimes great and sometimes not. I wanted ease of volume match between my main amp (Marshall/slo/Larry/EVH-take pick) and the Axe/fx through the PS100. The Lehle ABY allowed multiple target amps without phase issues. As good as it is; there is never ending tweaking to get them equal in volume (wet vs dry signals). I would come from practice occasionally wondering wtf and then boom-That’s it. Next time it’s gone.
Anyway I pulled the axe. And with intention to evaluate re-amping the amp to control volume. I’m told I’m too loud ?. I used the SLO 100 slave out to the PS100 and SLO speaker out to cab. Fuck me! Not only better.. way better and much easier. Still too loud though. So SLO speaker out to PS100 to reamp. And the effects send from SLO to H90 to a power amp then to the cab. A lot going on but very simple. Reamping the main amp (your pick) from speaker cab out to PS100 As well as from the effects out into another power amp thus making a W/D into a stereo 4x12 (effectively 2-2x12’s).

Did the same with the Marshall and Larry.
The Larry is crazy… speaker output to PS100 to control volume. PS100 with H9 in effects loop with on/off control for solo only ->2x12 of a 4x12
The effects loop send of the Larry to the eventide H90 then out to the mike B Mesa modded M180 power section ->> 2x12 of the 4x12.

So a stereo 4x12 is powered by 2 separate power amps, one with effects, one dry unless a solo and then it’s just bit of delay. The tone is generated by Larry. SLO100 and the Marshall all quite similar.

I’m enamored by ease, simplicity and my tone with minimal tweaking now. It’s there.
It’s taken me years to get this and there are probably folks who have been on this wagon for a long time… I fell asleep for 2 nights thinking about it and woke up thinking about it. Had practice last night and without a doubt “the beast from the midsouth” is controlled. Merry Christmas.
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I literally never use fx loops so forgive this amateur question, but how are you getting any signal from the speaker output of the main amp when your fx send is never returned to the amp?
 
It's a fun setup, for sure. Now, if your Eventide can set separate delay times per side/output, I'd recommend running a dry cab, with 2 separate wet cabs each with different delay times (375ms one side; 750ms the other like EVH) and put the 2 wet cabs 6-10 feet from each other with the dry signal in the middle. Now you've got that cool stereo spread.

Edit: I just noticed you use the FX out....try the line out instead; if you don't have one grab a Bray line out box for $50. The line out uses the WHOLE amps tone, vs the FX out which is just the preamp of the SLO. To me the whole amps tone(power/pre) is much better.
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
I literally never use fx loops so forgive this amateur question, but how are you getting any signal from the speaker output of the main amp when your fx send is never returned to the amp?
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He's running the FX send to another power amp; with the Eventide right before it giving FX to the signal.
 
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He's running the FX send to another power amp; with the Eventide right before it giving FX to the signal.
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Got that part. That’s powering one half of his setup. The other 2x12 (the “dry”)though is being powered by the speaker out to the ps100. How is that producing any sound?
 
Racerxrated said:
It's a fun setup, for sure. Now, if your Eventide can set separate delay times per side/output, I'd recommend running a dry cab, with 2 separate wet cabs each with different delay times (375ms one side; 750ms the other like EVH) and put the 2 wet cabs 6-10 feet from each other with the dry signal in the middle. Now you've got that cool stereo spread.

Edit: I just noticed you use the FX out....try the line out instead; if you don't have one grab a Bray line out box for $50. The line out uses the WHOLE amps tone, vs the FX out which is just the preamp of the SLO. To me the whole amps tone(power/pre) is much better.
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I prefer a line out box as well to send a signal for wet. Once you go this route it’s impossible to go back
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
Got that part. That’s powering one half of his setup. The other 2x12 (the “dry”)though is being powered by the speaker out to the ps100. How is that producing any sound?
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PS 100 goes out to the other side of the 412.
 
Yeah. Look at my picture above. So the speaker out of the Larry or SLO or whatever goes to be reamped or attenuated and that to the cabinet of choice

THEN

The effects send out of the same amp (Larry slo whatever) goes to an effects unit which then goes to another power amp (mine being the Mesa) which then powers the other cabinet of choice.

@Racerxrated - yes that is next plan for w/d/w
 
This is madness lol just set up Larry and slo side by side and rock . Nothing else lol
 
alund said:
Yeah. Look at my picture above. So the speaker out of the Larry or SLO or whatever goes to be reamped or attenuated and that to the cabinet of choice

THEN

The effects send out of the same amp (Larry slo whatever) goes to an effects unit which then goes to another power amp (mine being the Mesa) which then powers the other cabinet of choice.

@Racerxrated - yes that is next plan for w/d/w
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Guess I figured you wouldn’t get any signal by sending from fx loop without returning. Is there a tonal difference in the dry sound compared to not using the fx send at all? I would think there would be. Why not use the line out from the amps? Then you wouldn’t have to mess with the fx loop
 
Bxlxaxkxe said:
Got that part. That’s powering one half of his setup. The other 2x12 (the “dry”)though is being powered by the speaker out to the ps100. How is that producing any sound?
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ah the PS100 has a speaker out (sorry i didnt mention) the PS100 has an amp in and speaker out so a pass through so to speak
 
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just do things because you can! :D

on the first amp, don't you need a load on the speaker out?
 
Personally I always stick a volume pedal in the loop so I can adjust as necessary ... if you're always too loud this might be handy.

In this case you could stick with the same approach (amp out --> PS100 --> cab), but in the amp's loop (or the PS100 loop), run the FX send to the Lehle Y, one output back to FX Return, the other to the external power amp. Or simpler, forget the Y and run the second power amp off the line out from the PS100. Then again, if you're really loud, do you need the PS100 at all? Use the VP in the amp's loop for volume.

Same setup, but now you have volume control as well.
 
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