Speaker recommendations for DIEZEL 412 FL G12K100

[flownomis]

hey dudes, i just purchased a 412 fl g12k100. i like it so far but i think it lacks some brilliance in the highs and mids. at this point my marshall 1960 a sounds a lot better. i remember peter stapfer saying in an interview that its g12t75 speaker are "cheap" sounding. i cant agree, i like them very much.

of course the diezel has a superiour building quality and look.

what speaker would you recommend me?! i have 4 vintage 30´s laying around but never liked their harshness and fuzzy fizziness.

it still should be a very powerfull tight sound, but more 3 dimensional and sparkling.

im thinking about the following combinations:

g12k100 and vintage 30 in x
g12k100 and g12h30 (heritage) in x
g12k100 ang g12t75 in x
4 g12h30 (heritage)

any suggestions or experience ?! does the fl version even sound good with a g12h30 ?? or does it fit better rearloaded ?

 

[RJF]

I too did not like all G12K100's, too neutral and bland. I then went to an X pattern of 2 G12's and 2 V30's. I was much happier. I have had my FL Diezel cab that way for almost two years. Then, recently I bought another FL Diezel cab from the NAMM show and it has all V30's in it and I seem to like it better. Front load, all V30's, just seems to work so well with the Herbert, Uberschalls, rectos, etc.

 

[hotlicks2go]

After tons of experimentaion I found myself with V30's in my FL412 w/ Herbert. I tried different speaker combos as well as speaker placement ( K100's bottom/V30's top vs. X pattern). I liked them over/under better. Still ended up with all V30's. Though interestingly enough I used V30's from a Blackstar oversized (much like a Mesa) cab and they were horrible sounding, pulled V30's from an Egnater Std. 412 cab and sounded great. Go figure

 

[Shortfuse]

I just purchased an Einstein and an unloaded Diezel 412 cab (rear load). I have been playing with different speakers and combinations. For kicks I loaded a set of G12T 75 From an early 80's JCM 800 Cab and a set of 80's Herritage G12 65's and that combination sounds very good to me as a well rounded set for all modes. But I tend to play more classic and 80's style rock.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

Maybe try the 75's?

I just flatout don't like V30's, the K's kill them IMHO.

I'd probably mix in some Eminence Governors.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

What head are you running?? (or did i miss that..)

V30/K100 X Pattern is my fav with my VH4
all V30s were my Fav w Herbie
all V30s were my fav with the Einstein

havent tried the others. I def liked the K100 for recording...due to its neutrality. got the guitar/amp tone without coloration.

and if i recall the 75s are similar to the K100s...just a little more "harsh". then again its all in taste...

good luck!!

 

[Ventura]

All amp dependent and musical style dependent, really.

I think G12K100s are awesome speakers for recording - sometimes I think my ears actually grow too accustomed to the mid-bite of the V30s and I think other speakers lack mids. But seriously, once I get back into listening to my K100s, I think they kick ass.

But hey, to each their own. Let us know the amp m'man

 

[flownomis]

thx for your replies.

im playing an einstein and a jcm 800 which sounds verry jmp´ish, awesome clean crunch sound, perfect blues sound for me.

both amps sound more sparkling and pearly with the marshall cab. i m having the same experience with both.


i really like the tightness of the g12k100s, but need more mids for my perfect sound.

going to the rehearsal space today and take 2 v30´s home. i never liked them in the fame cab i used. hope they will shine in the diezel.

 

[Influenza]

What about EVM12L. They will deliver more "everything". Not everyone's taste though.
Also... include a few visits to the gym. ;-)

 

[Ventura]

Did we ever get closure with this speaker matter?!?!?!

And why is it every time Eminence is discussed, it's always like they're the red headed step children of speakers??

Just axin',
Mo

 

[GtarLover]

All amp dependent and musical style dependent, really.

I think G12K100s are awesome speakers for recording - sometimes I think my ears actually grow too accustomed to the mid-bite of the V30s and I think other speakers lack mids. But seriously, once I get back into listening to my K100s, I think they kick ass.

But hey, to each their own. Let us know the amp m'man

THIS, for sure. I had gotten used to the mid hump and now I dial my amps, rather than rely on the cab for that. The K100's are excellent IMO, and if you put another cab above them with other speakers, HOLY SH*T!! I have given up on trying to make 1 cab do it all. I have a few Diezel cabs now and using a 2 cab stack has solved this issue for me. The K100 cab go on the bottom, then mix with another cab to your liking. Sounds FANTASTIC!

 

[slyvren]

I LOVE v30s mixed in an X pattern with g12 65s (the old ones) in a RL for the Einey and the tones the OP is going after. Creamy like a creamsicle. If you need gain it handles it well. It stays smooth, but you still have plenty of cut.


My 2 cents.

 

[Ventura]

I LOVE v30s mixed in an X pattern with g12 65s (the old ones) in a RL for the Einey and the tones the OP is going after. Creamy like a creamsicle. If you need gain it handles it well. It stays smooth, but you still have plenty of cut.


My 2 cents.

Don't see many fans of 65s round these parts... You sure got a purdy toof boyee

All kidding aside, Einstein would command different cones for sure. No dog in that fight though, so can't add to that opine.

 

[flownomis]

i just won 4 g12h 30´s 75hz , originally from 1976 at the bay. 335 euros is a good deal, isnt it ???

they are on their way to me. i will put them into my fl 412 diezel and see how it sounds.

 

[slyvren]

I LOVE v30s mixed in an X pattern with g12 65s (the old ones) in a RL for the Einey and the tones the OP is going after. Creamy like a creamsicle. If you need gain it handles it well. It stays smooth, but you still have plenty of cut.


My 2 cents.

Don't see many fans of 65s round these parts... You sure got a purdy toof boyee

All kidding aside, Einstein would command different cones for sure. No dog in that fight though, so can't add to that opine.

Oh c'mon V! Don't make fun of me being a Texan!!! A. Wood LOVES them and there was a video of one of the first Herbert Mk II's on here that completely blew everyone away with that same speaker combo!

Thats like 3 of us.. WHAT WHAT?!

In all honesty. When I want some crunchy heavy goodness I run FL 30s and 100s in an X. Thats how 3 of my main 4 cabs are configured and I wouldn't have it any other way.