Suhr Mini Mix II + TC G system

[ACShreds]

Well I've having some problems with my TC G system and i was wondering if maybe getting a Surh Mini Mix might help out with the tone loss that im getting. I just want the tone i get with my amp plugged straight in with the fx of the G system and from what iv'e read that's kinda what its supposed to make happen. However i was curious to know if it would still work as i run the G system with the 4 cable method not just in my amps fx loop so i dont know if it would still have the same desired effects. I've seen some of the rig build vids Mark Day has on youtube and they all seem to have the mini mix in them and they all sound great which is what prompted me to look it up. If anyone has any info on the subject i'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

 

[Shark Diver]

Well, what I don't like about the G System is the front end tone loss. Throwing the input level up on it helps. Not sure how the mini mix would fit in the 4 cable method?

I actually run the front end of the GSystem in a GRX4 loop. That way it is bypassed unless I need the front end fx. Then I run the fx in a RJM mixer parallel. It really works well, keeps your amps tone, and makes the GSystem front end available if I need it.

 

[Mark Day]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

 

[Shark Diver]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

What I said, just more detailed.

Hope to see you soon Mark.

 

[ACShreds]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

So if i was to get a Mini Mix and put it in between my amp and the G systems back end and enable the kill dry function of the G system, would it still yield the same results since the G system is also running through the front end as well. It all makes sense if say i was just using a G major through my amps fx loop with the mini mix in between but since the G system is in the front and fx loop of my amp would it still have the same desired result?

 

[Shark Diver]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

So if i was to get a Mini Mix and put it in between my amp and the G systems back end and enable the kill dry function of the G system, would it still yield the same results since the G system is also running through the front end as well. It all makes sense if say i was just using a G major through my amps fx loop with the mini mix in between but since the G system is in the front and fx loop of my amp would it still have the same desired result?

Yes. If you go into the Gsystems front end you will have A/D/A conversion. it shows that on the front of the rackable piece.

 

[ACShreds]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

So if i was to get a Mini Mix and put it in between my amp and the G systems back end and enable the kill dry function of the G system, would it still yield the same results since the G system is also running through the front end as well. It all makes sense if say i was just using a G major through my amps fx loop with the mini mix in between but since the G system is in the front and fx loop of my amp would it still have the same desired result?

Yes. If you go into the Gsystems front end you will have A/D/A conversion. it shows that on the front of the rackable piece.

Wait, i still would use the front end of the G system just that all the post effects would run through the mini mix along with my amps fx loop. I'd still connect the front end the same way as normal. Would i still get the benefits of the mini mix or would using the front end of the G system at all just make the mini mix useless?

 

[Shark Diver]

I always like the idea of a mixer in a guitar rig. I don't like the phasey stuff that happens when your dry signal gets mixed in with an FX processor that has it's own mix of Dry and Wet. I have always used delays and reverb units that I can turn the DRY mix off within the unit.

I was a FOH tech for a long time and I would never stick a mic into an fx processor then into a channel strip, so why as guitar players do we do this??

I want complete control of my dry signal and I don't want a A/D/A conversion mixed into to give major tone suck and phase issues.

I tend to prefer to put front of amp type pedals(phase, flanger, etc) into a loop switcher and have my delays, reverbs, pitch FX in the amps FX loop but only units that I can turn the DRY OFF and I want to use a mixer. the Suhr Mini-Mix works great but it wants to see a unit that you can KILL DRY.

I find a line mixer with an FX processor that you can turn the dry off within the unit makes a huge difference in tone. Just like when you are mixing FOH. The mic goes into a strip and you SEND that signal to an FX unit with that unit's mix set to FX only no dry and then that output goes to another strip on the mixer and you can blend in what you want. It keeps the mic signal nice and clean and you can blend in FX as needed.

Hope this makes sense.

Mark

So if i was to get a Mini Mix and put it in between my amp and the G systems back end and enable the kill dry function of the G system, would it still yield the same results since the G system is also running through the front end as well. It all makes sense if say i was just using a G major through my amps fx loop with the mini mix in between but since the G system is in the front and fx loop of my amp would it still have the same desired result?

Yes. If you go into the Gsystems front end you will have A/D/A conversion. it shows that on the front of the rackable piece.

Wait, i still would use the front end of the G system just that all the post effects would run through the mini mix along with my amps fx loop. I'd still connect the front end the same way as normal. Would i still get the benefits of the mini mix or would using the front end of the G system at all just make the mini mix useless?

The second you plug into the Gsystem front end it is being converted, Analog/Digital. That is between the guitar and amp input. Which to me is the most important tone path. If you use a wireless than it doesn't matter as much because you have already converted to digital. The mini mix will keep you from converting again, so that's up to you. It simply makes your serial fx loop a parallel one.