Suhr Vs Vigier?

[Rob Tahan]

So im very serious about finding MY guitar now that ive found my amp for life for some time now.

I think i may have narrowed it down to either a Vigier or a Suhr.
Some questions i have are about A) The Tone and
B) The Neck

I know a lot of you guys have experience with both guitars which is why i value your opinions highly!

Which guitar typically has a wider/bigger neck? I cant stand thin necks. It doesnt have to be super fat. I like my ibanez necks, but then again i also like the roundness of my strats too. Combining the 2 would be great. Long story short, i have long skinny fingers and i need something suited for that so i dont get tendonitis.

Also, while i love the feel of my ibanez and the 24 frets/floyd rose/trem i HATE how thin my Ibanez's sound through my amp compared to the strat. I like that WARM punchy tone with sustain..(..who doesnt..) I only played 1 suhr a long time ago and remember it sounding not too much different from my Prestige's. Everything i hear online though sounds really good. Same with Vigier, but ive never played them before.

Thanks for the input in advance.

 

[jnurp]

if you hate thin necks you are going to hate playing any suhr. The necks are way too thin. I have a Suhr S6 and it has the thinner neck profile. I hate it. Im used to really chunky necks. The guitar itself is magnificent, but i cant stand playing it because of the neck. As for Vigier, ask Bob Savage, i know he has one.

 

[sebby123]

If your not buying Suhr pro series guitars, You can pick the neck you want, Go with mahogany for a wamer sound, and also pick everything else for that matter, Suhr's have a more classic vibe to them, as i see Vigier to be a big bad ibanez type shredder.

 

[isvoid]

if you hate thin necks you are going to hate playing any suhr. The necks are way too thin. I have a Suhr S6 and it has the thinner neck profile. I hate it. Im used to really chunky necks. The guitar itself is magnificent, but i cant stand playing it because of the neck. As for Vigier, ask Bob Savage, i know he has one.

you can order suhrs with 2x4 necks if that's wut melts yer butter

 

[Guitarzan1143]

Dont forget Zion. Look at some of those, they are amazing, i got the chance to tour their shop when I went for a job interview. very small scale, very dedicated employees.

 

[nevusofota]

Before you narrow it down to those two try my JP6 BFR. The neck only seems slightly thinner (this might be a deal breaker for ya right there) than my RG Prestige and my '90 RG, but the tone is way warm and the sustain is the most I have ever heard from any guitar I have played (mahogany neck and block under the p/u's). The BFR is steps above the standard model and is extremely well made. Some people don't like signature guitars though, I can understand that. I was hesitant. The amazing piezo sound and comfortable tremolo system is an added benefit. Let me know if trying this one helps your quest. Good luck!

 

[Random Hero]

I've owned two Suhrs and my friend has a Vigier Excalibur Ultra Blues. Honestly, I think the neck on my S4 would be exactly what you like, perhaps with the wider nut? I know jnurp says they're thin but he's an 00ber-n00b (). No but seriously, it depends where you come from. I find it perfect after playing shredders for quite a while and then really loving a Strat neck I had - I find it spot on in terms of it being "fast" but also very comfortable and rounded. IMO anyway.

The Vigier is awesome by the way but the neck on that is thinner than on my Suhr so, if that's not your thing...

 

[Rob Tahan]

Thinner necks make my hands cramp up and cause long term problems for me. Strats work because they are rounder and seem to work in a natural way with the hand. Ibanez necks are nice because they are wide. Combining the 2 would be perfect, but no thinner than a strat

Some people here say Suhr is thinner, some say not..
And if Vigiers have thin necks im automatically out...

Id like to check out Zions and see how they sound as well.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I'm suprised you hate thin necks but like Ibanez necks. Most Ibanez necks I've felt feel like Ritz Crackers. Suhr or Anderson can make anything you want though. My Anderson Drop Top is more of a shredder than my Suhr S4 because the neck is thinner but the Suhr neck is pretty thin as well. I think you have to go out and play some guitars if you can find them to see how they feel.

 

[Bob Savage]

Thinner necks make my hands cramp up and cause long term problems for me. Strats work because they are rounder and seem to work in a natural way with the hand. Ibanez necks are nice because they are wide. Combining the 2 would be perfect, but no thinner than a strat

Some people here say Suhr is thinner, some say not..
And if Vigiers have thin necks im automatically out...

If you like the Strat style neck, forget the Vigier. I love my Excalibur, but the fingerboard is slighly narrower than the Suhrs I've played (and the Ibanez RG) and *slightly* thicker than the Ibanez but not as thick as the Suhr.

This is as I recall... sah5150 has Suhrs and has played my Vigier so he can probably provide info too.

 

[Code001]

I'm think he means he hates small/round necks i.e. the radius. He seems to want a flat and wide fretboard/radius with a more round back to it.

 

[Bob Savage]

I'm think he means he hates small/round necks i.e. the radius. He seems to want a flat and wide fretboard/radius with a more round back to it.

The Excalibur doesn't have a wide fingerboard. The SL model has a flat board, but it's not wide like an Ibanez.

 

[Random Hero]

I'm think he means he hates small/round necks i.e. the radius. He seems to want a flat and wide fretboard/radius with a more round back to it.

The Excalibur doesn't have a wide fingerboard. The SL model has a flat board, but it's not wide like an Ibanez.

Yup. That's why I suggested the wider nut width of a Suhr - 1.657"? Something like that - as I think it'll be right where he likes it. The neck I have is the Even C Slim .800-.880 and it's honestly not a million miles away from the thickness of a Modern C Fender. Maybe go for an Even C Medium for a fatter neck or something that I suppose would most closely resemble a Strat?

 

[Anonymous]

Thinner necks make my hands cramp up and cause long term problems for me. Strats work because they are rounder and seem to work in a natural way with the hand. Ibanez necks are nice because they are wide. Combining the 2 would be perfect, but no thinner than a strat.
Some people here say Suhr is thinner, some say not..
And if Vigiers have thin necks im automatically out...

Id like to check out Zions and see how they sound as well.

A few things...

One, when you say thin necks, I am usually thinking of the distance from the back of the neck through the neck to the front top of the fretboard. In that case, Ibanez (I have two J Customs) makes the thinnest necks I have ever played (which you say you like). I've got a neck I had built that was supposed to be a clone of a Kramer Pacer neck, but it is as thick as a '50s Les Paul neck - like a damn baseball bat... just huge... this is what I think of when someone talks about thin or fat necks.

If you are measuring your description of "thin neck" by describing the distance across the fretboard at a particular fret, I usually think of that as nut width. The necks on my various guitars range from 1 5/8" to 1 3/4" nut width and honestly there is not that much of a difference between the extremes to me, although others feel a huge difference.

The reason some people are saying Suhr necks are "thinner" and some not is because some people have probably played one that had a thin neck and they don't realize that Suhr will build you any thickness, shape and nut width of neck you desire (within reason). Suhr doesn't have "a neck size" - they make what you want, unless you buy a cookie cutter Pro Series, which I would guess would be a Thin C profile with a 1 5/8" nut width.

The few Vigiers I've played had Thin C profiles and were probably 1 5/8" or 1 11/16" nut width - I don't know if you can specify neck profile and nut width when you order one...

Steve

 

[glip22]

I have both and like both profiles. The 16" radius on the Sur with the Guthrie neck profile is a little chunkier than my Vigier. I played a Modern with the thinner neck and it was a little too thin although I could probably get used to it. The Vigier is also comfortable and has a great feel, especially in the higher registers where it seems to flatten. Without getting into actual measurements and profiles you really cannot go wrong with either. The Vigier carbon stripped neck is super nice. The neck is actually pegged at about a snug .009 in between the G&D strings with a 24" gauge down the full length at the seventh fret. (Exactly where I like it). You also have other considerations. The Vigier has medium frets and my Suhr has Jumbo. Both are nice but different. Suhr pickups are much better than the Duncans that come with Vigier. I just ordered a Bareknuckle set for the Excalibur. I am happy with the stock pups on my Guthrie. For referrence you see my LPC. Definitely rounder. It's a tough question without playing. I think the Vigier neck is a little faster with the lower fret peaks. You would be happy with either except the thinner Suhr profile(.730-.830).

 

[van hellion]

Rob, dude, you know im gonna chime in and say suhr!


seriously, suhr is a custom shop. they will build whatever you want. nothing is off limits. build the guitar of your dreams in your head then talk to ed yoon or shon kornfield at suhr and make it a reality. its that simple. and for fat friggin tone, use les paul body woods. problem solved!

A Wood

 

[Rob Tahan]

If you are measuring your description of "thin neck" by describing the distance across the fretboard at a particular fret, I usually think of that as nut width. The necks on my various guitars range from 1 5/8" to 1 3/4" nut width and honestly there is not that much of a difference between the extremes to me, although others feel a huge difference.

Bingo! This is what i consider thin.

I like wide necks! this is what i want.. Dont care too much then about the distance from the back of the neck to the front of the fretboard. I just need more spread for my fingers. And thank you all for your replys! Thanks also A. Wood for the reference Im gonna contact them hopefully sometime soon.
Feel free to elaborate on good choices of guitars / woods / brands etc.
I was recommended Mahogany or Basswood for a floyd rose...

 

[oldmanmetal]

Vigier has hands down the fastest neck I have ever played, but sounds like it will be too narrow for you. Suhr will make what you want, they are my #1 guitars for most things I do.

 

[Sheik_Yerbouti]

I've never played a Vigier, and I understand they're very well-made guitars, but they're just kind of ugly to me.

As for Suhr necks, I thought John offered a fairly wide range of neck profiles? I've loooooooooooooved the Suhrs I've played, and I know I've played at least two different necks.

 

[Zachman]

Dont forget Zion. Look at some of those, they are amazing, i got the chance to tour their shop when I went for a job interview. very small scale, very dedicated employees.

GOOD call, on the Zion.... I have a Zion that Ken Hoover did for me back in '87 that I LOVE!

Suhr, Tyler, Zion, Anderson... ALL fantastic guitars!