Super nerdy video alert: V30’s with Kohle and Nolly.

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Very interesting, yet super nerdy video on V30s throughout the years. I agree a lot with what nolly says about the differences over the years, what is responsible for our perceived tonal differences in them etc. just an all around good informative video that clears up a lot of misinformation about them. You will probably learn a thing or two from
This as well about micing, angled vs straight differences etc.

 
If you dig stuff like this you would LOVE actual speaker design.
Such an incredible science with so many interacting variables.

(assuming you might not know a lot about this)

A few grams too much or too little glue on the dustcap joint
could easily result in some stupid peak or dip in a response.

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When Nolly says 'something' happened. This would be one of
a few hundred possible causes.
Seen many an AE going nuts trying to troubleshoot this kind of shit. ?

But seriously, @VESmedic , I think you'd really get into it based on your postings.
 
I didn't watch the vid. But I have owned a lot of V30s. '80s and early '90s T3904. '93/94 Mesa spec T4416. '90-'00 Marshall spec T3897. Late '90s T3904. Modern T3904A, T3897B, and T4416B.

From a visual perspective, there is one primary difference between the T3904/T3897 and the T4416: the T4416 back plate (the silver disk over the back of the black magnet) is smaller and has marks from machining. The T3904/T3897 backplate is larger and obviously cast (maybe they all start cast and are machined down for the T4416).

Over the years, changes have happened to all three. The earlier ones all have heavy doping around the dust cap (looks like a liquid stain around the dust cap). By the mid '90s this was becoming less common, and now you don't see it at all.

The cone changed. The ribs use to be very pronounced and narrow. They seem to have become less distinct over the years and some time in the early 2000s they changed to become very wide.

The magnet shrank. The thickness is the same, but it's now a few millimeters smaller diameter. It's most obvious on the new T3904, where now the magnet just barely peaks out past the back plate.

Sound wise, I have such a small sample size it's hard to say. The '89 T3904s are scooped and very aggressive. Similar to the '90-'00 T3897s. The '91 T3904s have a more relaxed top end but have a more obvious high mid peak. The Mesa T4416s are smoother like the '91 T4416 but don't seem to have that obvious mid peak.

The newer versions with the A and B added to the model number just don't sound the same. Not sure if it's the break in or the construction differences. They have more treble/presence and crispness to the tone.
 
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Very cool video. I'm sure we can all relate to how fun (if sometimes maddening) it is to go down rabbit holes like this, and Nolly seems like the kind of guy with the resources and enthusiasm to really get to the bottom of whatever it is he's looking at.

Great stuff.
 
Makes ya wonder why they'd mess with such a good thing?
Some posts seem to suggest that their tooling has just worn down and that the paper they get for the cones isn't the same type of pulp anymore. Dunno if any of that is true.

It's all splitting hairs. They all sound fine.
 
Interesting, anyone know how to find out what year my Mesa 4x12 is ... My serial # starts with C2
 
Interesting, anyone know how to find out what year my Mesa 4x12 is ... My serial # starts with C2
Easiest way is probably to pop off the jack plate and look at the numbers on the speakers. (Mesa jack plates are usually held down with double-sided tape, so use an old credit card or something to help pry it up).
 

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