Tame any brite amp new Genalex goldlion ecc83-12ax7

[thickwood]

This tube is a new short plate version that cost only $20.00
It tamed the highs perfectly for my Laney VC-30 .
This tube will not be a good HiFi tube,it colors the tone and EQ quite alot.

The tube has the most obvious rounded notes with a firm bottom end and smooth as it gets on highs.
The warm harmonic notes it has, is not familiar in my 12ax7 experience.
If you have a brite enough amp you should try this tube.
I have 2 i bought off the bay,the other i cant get back from my room mate .

I let him try it in his Fender Blues junior , it has that warmth he was craving and no harshness at all.

He said thats the tube he needed, i wanted to pass along this info because ive rolled alot of NOS and current 12ax7 types and finnaly found something great i think.
What it did for my Laney is amazing , im liking that amp now.

Bass players my dig this tube, it has the most tube like tone ive ever heard !

 

[glip22]

I like this tube quite a bit in the Phase Inverter. In other spots I preferred the NOS glass I have. I would not consider this a dark tube like JJ or RFT

 

[thickwood]

This tube is very new and recent released by Genalex made in china and not the russiun longplate tube weve been using.
Its cheaper and plain pins but does have the goldlion written in gold.
If you have a brite amp you may be amazed like i was.
Its round notes are so good it floored me,yes this tube is very smooth on highs !

I think its geared towards guitar and instrument use, flat picken and jazz and rythems are very good !
If your amp is real brite this is your fix.

 

[Ventura]

I've been a fan of the Gold Lion ECC83 preamp glass for a couple years now. To the best of my understanding, the original GL-ECC83 were re-branded Sovtek LPS high grade preamps. Nonetheless, compared to actual Sovtek LPSs, they were dead quiet.

I use 'em in V1 usually, and in a high-quality gain spot if the circuit gain is good and doesn't need taming.

 

[Anonymous]

a firm bottom end and smooth

I've always enjoyed that in a.... tube.

Steve

 

[thickwood]

This tube will excel at a smooth pick attack , blue grass or acoustic guitar amps must have a try with this tube.
I flat picked my mean 90 pickups and could not believe the warmth and how harmonic and smooth it was , whew i could not stop playin fast either
Never heard a 12ax7 sound like this , quite a barotone on the low wound strings .
Yes but firm on the bottom,no flubby anything.

 

[just42dave]

its a relabeled sino china tube, remake of their version of a mullard or matsushita.
I have some and I also have the tubestore version if anybody wants a couple ill sell a duet for 30.00 shipped Im keepin the gold lion versions all the same sinos, Ruby has them relabeled as well,
Hit me up if your interested

 

[thickwood]

I would buy the labled genalex goldlion 12ax7 for $20.00 and your sure to get the tube im talking about,no confusion on what who labled what remake of obscure ghost tubes long out of production
And the Sovtek 12ax7LPS is NOT a Goldlion 12ax7 relabled to my good ears,they share similar plates but the other differences are internal screens and grids.
People say white is white but there are a 100 shades of white , its worse in the greys.

 

[just42dave]

im not in the greys there thickwood

 

[just42dave]

same frikin tube made by same company lol sino
not trying to hijack your thread but pretty sure weve been through this a month ago on another thread
I got each tube in front of me and exactly the same etc TAD has a version as well.
Good tubes BTW

 

[pstar]

got the gold pin versions made in ruskiville, different glass

 

[thickwood]

You will have to hear it to understand its quite a bit smoother and warmer than any tube in the 12ax7 family.
Dont believe me but its not those you assume it is.
I bought 2 of the Genalex 12ax7 myself, after i tried one !

 

[thickwood]

I tried numerous 12ax7 -12az7 tubes to find a unique but good tone.
I will give a quick synapsis.
GE ax7- good NOS tone but tooo brite for my rig and p90 with .022 capacitor.
Ruby ax4 ac7 good tone but too crispy and biting attack.
NOS RCA very good tone but pushed it became a darker than wanted tone but usable.
NOS Mullard had a wide midrange tone and large sound stage but again highs were to recessed and the large low end covered the blues chording high notes. awesome tube tone however.
Genalex ax7 long plate gold pin is a very good tube tone across the range,less wooly than the Sovtek ax7lps but overall one of the best tubes ive tried.
Shuangang are hifi sounding and pushed a bit produce fizzy breakup and become undefined for any chording,high gain tone stacks may have a use there.
NOS Baldwin ax7 a bit brite like the GE , i think GE made this long plate tube. good tone is there.
Sylvania 5751 jan has the better breakup pushed and very good harmonics similar to the Genalex ax7 gold but the mids are bit better in the russiun tube.

jj tesla ax7 isnt as bad as some say,in my amps the breakup isnt the best but the tone is ok , just cant get the vibe to another level pushed a lil bit.
Jadis made by shuagang ax7-5751 that i tried had the typical high crispy hifi tone and strange breakup and cant do a bluesy tone in any setting and lacked bottom end until pushed and then covered the high chord strings up and was mush.

The new Genalex standard steel pin short plate a $20.00 tube was again the most tubey sounding tube ever in the ax7 family and the attack allowed heavy picking to still be forgiving and harmonic in best way possible as it was recessed in the highs enough to be a brite amp elixer in my opinion, as confirmed in the Fender blues junior and laney VC-30 and those 2 tubes are staying in those amps.
I messaged CYROSET tubes and he thinks the highs may come in during breakin, at least a little bit improved on the highs.
I put the tube in my rebel 20 which is a beast on highs during pick attack,very aggressive amp and had to cut the highs way up but wow what a bluesy breakup and overdrive was addictive and allowed fast flat picking nirvana and ive never heard harmonic attack from a pre amp tube that sounds like a power tube with all 2nd & 4th order harmonics.

Its not a TAD or a Ruby or any tube ive ever heard before, i can see this tube used in recordings in the near future no dought.
Bring a treble booster and a keely 4 knob compressor if your amp isnt bright enough.

No brag- just fact,yep i was very impressed

 

[Ventura]

same frikin tube made by same company lol sino
not trying to hijack your thread but pretty sure weve been through this a month ago on another thread
I got each tube in front of me and exactly the same etc TAD has a version as well.
Good tubes BTW

So the steel pin GLs that thickwood's talking about are just rebranded Sino's?

Interesting

 

[thickwood]

I saw many similar leaves as i picked up my apple but one bit me, it wasnt what it seemed i found that out myself.

 

[Ventura]

I saw many similar leaves as i picked up my apple but one bit me, it wasnt what it seemed i found that out myself.

So you're saying the regular steel pin model of the Genalex (Gold Lion) is totally tits?? Good in all positions?? This one??

 

[thickwood]

I use these in brite amps like my laney vc-30 and i cant get my other standard Genalex back from my room mate after i tried it in his Blues Jr.
The highs are recessed so i dont no where else it would be good but v1 in brite amps.
This tube sounds very harmonic like rolling your heel back some on the wah wah, with out the nasal effect.

 

[Ventura]

What are people's recommendations for brightening up a tube buffered FX loop? Tung Sol?

Interested to hear.

 

[thickwood]

Tube roll that like i did,it effects the whole EQ on my amp.
The rebel 30 liked the TS and a Ruby ax7 select was too brite in there .
Ive read the Alchemist is a pre amp tube nightmare to get sounding good again .
Once you find which tube is the tone controls recovery tube you can begin to try rolling v1 and not encounter what i did and the Alchemist amp problems.
Set your EQ tone to your liking {or} forever try v1 for more bottom or highs and complex breakup and fail with great tubes.
I didnt know my fx loop effected the tone so much it had me baffled until i changed it on a whim !

 

[Ventura]

Tube roll that like i did,it effects the whole EQ on my amp.
The rebel 30 liked the TS and a Ruby ax7 select was too brite in there .
Ive read the Alchemist is a pre amp tube nightmare to get sounding good again .
Once you find which tube is the tone controls recovery tube you can begin to try rolling v1 and not encounter what i did and the Alchemist amp problems.
Set your EQ tone to your liking {or} forever try v1 for more bottom or highs and complex breakup and fail with great tubes.
I didnt know my fx loop effected the tone so much it had me baffled until i changed it on a whim !

My amps in question have a separate circuit FX loop, so it's only engaged in the overall tone palette when there's a connection jack in it. Basically, loop off, amp sounds great, loop on with NO effects in it, slightly duller. I know it's all to do with the 12AX7 running/buffering the loop. I just want a brighter bottle in there, and my guess is the Tung Sol will work this up a bit.