The most versatile Diezel

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I would love to get Diezel one day, but I can't decide which one to choose. I would like to have a nice clean channel for use with my Strat and PRS custom and even with my Les Paul. I have Mesa Mark IV and Vox AC30. I love Mesa for high gain but clean and crunch doesn't really attract me. Vox has some nice clean tones and maybe crunch but not with every guitar I have. I would like to get one more amp (Diezel for sure) which can do everything and it does it great. I thought maybe Einstein can do it? Or Herbert?
 
Just go for the Hagen. The clean channel is very good, but the surprise is the crunch channel which is absolutely brilliant, I was planning to get a medium to high gain Marschall, I don't need it anymore. And you still have the 3rd & 4th channels for more gutsy stuff.

The Einstein is a good choice too, if you have a lower budget and if you're not afraid of the modes on channel 1.
 
ANY Diezel is more versitle! But the Einstein with the Channel 1 mode mod is a poor mans (well cheaper at least :lol: :LOL: ) VH4 or Hagen. The mod just allows you to foot switch the channel 1 modes instead of having to use the toggle swtiches on the amp. It's what I gig with and it does everything great, Clean, Crunch, Heavy Marshall tone and a Great High Gain/Lead tone giving you 4 channels of goodness! :rock: With Ch 1 mod I highly recommend it for gigging. But the other flagship models may fit you better if you can afford them. But you won't be dissappointed with the Einstein or any Diezel. I was a OD/distortion pedal junky before I bought mine and now the only gain/tone shaping pedal I use is a Barber tone press in the loop! And I was using a Rockbox, a few Menatone pedals and a Soldano GTO before. Diezel = OD/Dist pedal killer!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

PS, Einstein users: If you haven't tried it I run my gain on ch. 1 at like 2-3 o'clock. Brings the volume up on the clean mode to make it more even with the cunch and mega modes and it also makes crunch/mega modes more guitar volume knobs sensitive. With my set up and IMO anyway.
 
They are all extremely versatile and I guess it just depends upon your "Flavor"
 
I think it depends on what type of clean you're after and what type of gain.

You mentioned MEsa and Vox....the Vox part is important.... if you like the vox cleans and cruch I think you'll be happy with a Schmidt. The cleans are very vintage like and the crunch is more vintage too, less compressed, more open, I guess like a nice vox or fender amp would feel. The Schmidt also get extremely heavy, so I heavy I believe you can even play metal with the right pickups/guitar, without even having to add an OD/boost. Obviously it won't be a chugga chugga gain like the other brothers, but it'd work perfectly well for a hard rock/80's type of metal.

The Vh4 (I own one) is extremely versatile, the cleans are very sweet and with low output pickups it shines, my strat loves the VH4's clean channel. Vh4's channel 2 is the magic channel IMO, usually the VH4 is sought after because of it's incredible 3rd channel and I agree it's like nothing else out there, but channel 2 is were the magic happens if you have the right guitar (again, low out pickups) it goes from a slightly break up clean all the way to 80s marshall cruch. Channels 3 and 4 are just the tits for hard rock/metal

Einstein: is a terrific amplifier that has it's own thing going....the gain is very liquid and spongy, I loved my, I sold it because at the time I couln't keep both the VH4 and Einstein and the VH4 being the most versatile I kept it, but with the channel 1 mod it's a FANTASTIC amp.

Herbert and Hagen I haven't owned, nor played extensively, but I've heard the Hagen is just like the VH4, a monster in versatility.

if you're after the vintage cleans all the way up to rock/hard rock, I'd look into the Schmidt.

If you want more modern cleans and all the way up to brutal gain, then the other brothers.

just my @0.02 :)
 
Thank you very much for all responses. I was looking for some Fender style of clean and old school ('70) crunch but modern high gain. So schmidt sounds interesting but would be great to have modern sounding high gain cahnnel.
 
yeah but don't get me wrong, it's a DIEZEL hehehehe it won't sound like a cranked bassman with a TubeScreamer infront hehehe

all diezels sound "modern" if you know what I mean.........it's just the feel of the amp (the schmidt) is more open and feels/sounds more vintage....... but still it's a Diezel.

listen to this.

 
Ive owned and used exstensively a herbert,vh4,schmidt and einy.all in real life concert settings..never had the hagen yet, so w/out hagen experience, the herbert is #1 w/ the vh4 a close 2nd.
 
Little B":1byrtkey said:
Ive owned and used exstensively a herbert,vh4,schmidt and einy.all in real life concert settings..never had the hagen yet, so w/out hagen experience, the herbert is #1 w/ the vh4 a close 2nd.
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what type of music do you mostly play man?
 
How or where can I get that mod on channel 1? I mean for Enstein.
 
Joeytpg":1tydtfb6 said:
Little B":1tydtfb6 said:
Ive owned and used exstensively a herbert,vh4,schmidt and einy.all in real life concert settings..never had the hagen yet, so w/out hagen experience, the herbert is #1 w/ the vh4 a close 2nd.
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what type of music do you mostly play man?
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The session work I get into from time to time calls for almost all styles.(own one of everything,right)....anyways,my fav is still good ol tastey,melodic shred, but harder for me than 32nd note triplets and crazy arpeggios is the Brad Paisley,Johhnny Hiland styles,in which they do darn near everything a shredder does,but the kicker is no hiding behind tons of gain and walls of distortion.....thats just where im at right now...its all good.
 
All of them or none of them. My vote would go to VH4, but the only correct recommendation would be to go to do some test-drive with all of them.

I prefer VH4 especially due to its versatility. Maybe other Diezel's may have better loop options (e.g. switchable serial loop), but tonally this is wonderful amp. Four channels with independent EQs is something not too often found. And I just cannot live without the 2nd channel of VH4 which gets you very dynamic and "touch sensitive" break-up tones which are wonderful in combination to little bit of playing with guitar's volume pot and touch of nice delay. Maybe it is just me, but I am not able to dial this tone from my Herbert at all.

Herbert is very versatile as well, but personally I find it more processed and smoother sounding as VH4 which on the other hand has this nice organic grit in the tone. For 8-string stuff, Herbert is the clear winner due to its enourmous power, but for everything else I have found VH4 to suit my style of playing better. In addition I get more clarity to my tone with VH4. I also like the clean channel of my VH4 more and in my opinion you can impact the clean tone more in VH4 as in Herbert by twisting the knobs and toggles (why there is no gain control for Ch1 in Herbert?). For lead work I find both of the these amps just simply perfect - Main differnce being that in VH4 I am able to dedicate one channel (4th) for this purpose whereas in Herbert I have to make a bit compromises in the EQ of Ch3 in order that it works that well for my needs. I am definitely not saying that Herbert does not sound good, but just trying to highlight some points why VH4 is still staying in my main gig-rig (with Mako MAK2) and Herbert stays at home. If it makes any difference to someone, my VH4 is from 2006 and Herbert is 2007 (mark I).

Einstein is great, but I think it might not be enough for your needs if you need a lot of versatility in realtime. What I mean by the previous, is that Einstein is capable of great tones and has four "modes/sounds", but only two channels so you cannot make too vide arsenal of predefined sounds. The tones are absolutely brilliant so if you do not need "presets" this should not be any issue at all. For me VH4 with four independent channels with EQs, loops, etc. is essential.

Unfortunately I do not have any experience on Hagen, Schmidt nor the newest member in the family (D-mol). Hopefully someday I do.
 
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