droptrd":3d6l385q said:Ive played the old 3ch and new 3 ch back to back. And ive owned 4 2ch rectos. I noticed no difference in tone, fizz, loose bottom etc in the new 3 ch rectos. The clean ch is better. The new recto has a few new features that make it cool too. But its not worth selling your old 3ch for a new one. And IMO the 3chs STILL cant touch the texture and feel of the 2ch rectos.
FixXxer":3jfxsm42 said:What is the consensus on these? Guitar World is giving it a gold star rating, and all the other magazines apparently love them.
Can anyone give an opinion? Compare to the current Dual Recs and 2 channels?
+1Ricky Rockhardo":1eahztmj said:droptrd":1eahztmj said:Ive played the old 3ch and new 3 ch back to back. And ive owned 4 2ch rectos. I noticed no difference in tone, fizz, loose bottom etc in the new 3 ch rectos. The clean ch is better. The new recto has a few new features that make it cool too. But its not worth selling your old 3ch for a new one. And IMO the 3chs STILL cant touch the texture and feel of the 2ch rectos.
I agree with all of this. The new 3ch rectos are only slightly different than the older ones and do not merit selling your old 3ch. For a more refined recto sound I would probably get a Roadster which are much more pleasing to my ears. And I also agree with the above that a Rivera is even better for modern metal. I had the opportunity to try both a Knucklehead and new 3ch recto in the same room, and hands down the Rivera wins. My only complaint is that it goes from whisper quiet to band practice loud in one knotch
stratotone":1q8es40u said:Had a roadster, sold it. Had a pre 500 head, wish I still had it. Currently have a first year rackmount recto that I bought from a friend who picked it up new with a matching cab, and it KILLS. There are going to be variances in amps, but pound for pound the early two channel heads and rackmounts sound better in my opinion. I also know this rackmount sounds great because I compared it with my pre 500 and it sounded better - tried to buy it from him then and he refused. Only sold it because he quit gigging and needed some money for a down payment on a house.
My amp sounds like King's X Dogman in a box. Roadster I had was a fizzy mess in comparison. Now, if you need a clean channel and two gain channels, a newer mesa may make good sense to make the compromise. I've thought about taking the Mesa rackmount 1/2 stack and running it with a Fender Twin for live, but that's too much crap for a bar gig. I prefer my VHT UL overall but the Rackto does have it's own thing going on.
Saw a few interesting posts comparing a rackmount with the newer amp - one compared EL34s and 6L6s. Well, might want to run the same tubes, if you're into low end an EL34 isn't going to have the same amount or be as tight as a 6L6 amp. I could compare a mustang and a camaro and put all season tires on one and summer performance tires on the other - it might skew the results, yes?
Other comparison had 'same settings on the amp' which depending on the pot tapers and values could be WAYYYY off.
Want to to a valid comparison? Use the same tubes and cab, and dial in both amps to sound good, not to the same settings. Just my opinion.
Pete
kannibul":19yl2icz said:stratotone":19yl2icz said:Had a roadster, sold it. Had a pre 500 head, wish I still had it. Currently have a first year rackmount recto that I bought from a friend who picked it up new with a matching cab, and it KILLS. There are going to be variances in amps, but pound for pound the early two channel heads and rackmounts sound better in my opinion. I also know this rackmount sounds great because I compared it with my pre 500 and it sounded better - tried to buy it from him then and he refused. Only sold it because he quit gigging and needed some money for a down payment on a house.
My amp sounds like King's X Dogman in a box. Roadster I had was a fizzy mess in comparison. Now, if you need a clean channel and two gain channels, a newer mesa may make good sense to make the compromise. I've thought about taking the Mesa rackmount 1/2 stack and running it with a Fender Twin for live, but that's too much crap for a bar gig. I prefer my VHT UL overall but the Rackto does have it's own thing going on.
Saw a few interesting posts comparing a rackmount with the newer amp - one compared EL34s and 6L6s. Well, might want to run the same tubes, if you're into low end an EL34 isn't going to have the same amount or be as tight as a 6L6 amp. I could compare a mustang and a camaro and put all season tires on one and summer performance tires on the other - it might skew the results, yes?
Other comparison had 'same settings on the amp' which depending on the pot tapers and values could be WAYYYY off.
Want to to a valid comparison? Use the same tubes and cab, and dial in both amps to sound good, not to the same settings. Just my opinion.
Pete
I wish I brought my Roadster (and my JVM410) that night Scott was there - more or less so I could get a good comparison. I thought your ractifier sounded good, but I got a kind of one-trick pony vibe from it. I never did try rolling the volume knob on the guitar around to see how well it'd clean up...
I'll say this much, the VHT UL is a mean fuck...but I still jones for your Bogner...
mightywarlock":1saxw5ye said:I think we can agree that everyone just has different tastes.
in the clips you posted up above, the one with the racktifier and the new amp, I prefer the racktifier. I can hear the presence sizzle on the new one's recordings, even though it is clearer. It has that halo of sizzle around the tone, and i just can't stand it. It's like Dirty surrounded by dirty, whereas the older amps are dirty with a clean tone surrounding it. best way to describe it.
I am not a 6L6 person I do not believe, nowadays.
Those guys in the band like 6L6 amps, not EL34's.
Can't compare a 6L6 tubed amp to an EL34 tubed amp. (I would probably prefer the EL34 tone). They chose a 5150. I am not sure I even like my 5150 for anything other than recording usage.
everyone can have a different opinion here, so what needs to be done, is you have to make your own opinion about these things in person, when you demo the amp yourself.
stratotone":8w17mlti said:I could compare a mustang and a camaro and put all season tires on one and summer performance tires on the other - it might skew the results, yes? Pete
I liked the one I tried out, but channel 2 is where it's at for me. I've owned 5 Rectifiers over the past few years: three 2 channel models and two three channel models. I work PT at Guitar Center now and have had a lot of time with the newer models. A big improvement? No, not really. They do the Rectifier sound as well as any other (yes, even the older 2 channels) but with added flexibility of a good clean channel and power scaling. Truth be told though, I think Mesa shoots themselves in the foot with so many options on their amps. Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of features - but more complicated circuitry leads to less consistency and IMO, more tonal loss.FixXxer":11qgh3ut said:What is the consensus on these? Guitar World is giving it a gold star rating, and all the other magazines apparently love them.
Can anyone give an opinion? Compare to the current Dual Recs and 2 channels?