The New Dual Recs

[stratotone]

What rev/version 2 channel rackmount? I had a later one with the parallel fx loop, and now have an early model with the series loop... the early one sounds the best IMHO, but I liked all the 2 channels I had. When someone asks what my amp sounds like, I tell em King's X 'Dogman' - it does that in spades.

Pete

Honestly, I've heard that Mesa amps can be hit or miss tone wise. All I know, is that I owned a 2 Channel Rackmount Dual Rectifier, played it for weeks on end. I found a tone I liked, but I wanted something better. I upgraded the transformers. The tone improved, but still didn't do it for me. I sold the amp and bought a 2010 Rectifier. My first clips of it blew everyone away who I showed (this is with stock tubes, fresh out of the box, mind you). I find the 2010 Rectifier, or at least the one I OWN, to be tighter, more percussive, and have more "crunch" than my older Rectifier.

Here is a clip I made of the two with the same mic position (YEP, I DID NOT MOVE THE MIC IN FRONT OF THE CABINET) and tonestack settings for comparison:

Racktifier:

Rectifier:

IMHO, the Racktifier sounds muffled in comparison, and lacks the "pleasant fizziness" of the Rectifier.

 

[some dude]

Nice comparison video, though there is some clipping with the higher gain sounds

FWIW I think I would take a Roadster over the 2.

I don't trust most of those videos. Whenever sales guys are involved it always seems like they're trying to make the old model sound bad.

There's a better one around somewhere of a fat dude trying to make a 2010 sound like a Tremoverb. They're both somewhat similar, with the new one being a bit brighter and clearer and the T-verb being darker and a bit thicker.

 

[stratotone]

I hate these thread resurrections - posted twice and pretty much said the same damned thing each time.

 

[RJF]

I think we can agree that everyone just has different tastes.

in the clips you posted up above, the one with the racktifier and the new amp, I prefer the racktifier. I can hear the presence sizzle on the new one's recordings, even though it is clearer. It has that halo of sizzle around the tone, and i just can't stand it. It's like Dirty surrounded by dirty, whereas the older amps are dirty with a clean tone surrounding it. best way to describe it.

I am not a 6L6 person I do not believe, nowadays.

Those guys in the band like 6L6 amps, not EL34's.
Can't compare a 6L6 tubed amp to an EL34 tubed amp. (I would probably prefer the EL34 tone). They chose a 5150. I am not sure I even like my 5150 for anything other than recording usage.

everyone can have a different opinion here, so what needs to be done, is you have to make your own opinion about these things in person, when you demo the amp yourself.

WHOA, AWESOME!!!

There is actually another human being on this planet that has the two channel dual rec with the chrome chassis and polished diamond-plate faceplate. i custom ordered mine that way in '94, and have never seen another one since. I think my serial number is in the 3700's.

-russell

Mine is an F, it's in the very low 2000's.

 

[CaseyCor]

I think we can agree that everyone just has different tastes.

in the clips you posted up above, the one with the racktifier and the new amp, I prefer the racktifier. I can hear the presence sizzle on the new one's recordings, even though it is clearer. It has that halo of sizzle around the tone, and i just can't stand it. It's like Dirty surrounded by dirty, whereas the older amps are dirty with a clean tone surrounding it. best way to describe it.

I am not a 6L6 person I do not believe, nowadays.

Those guys in the band like 6L6 amps, not EL34's.
Can't compare a 6L6 tubed amp to an EL34 tubed amp. (I would probably prefer the EL34 tone). They chose a 5150. I am not sure I even like my 5150 for anything other than recording usage.

everyone can have a different opinion here, so what needs to be done, is you have to make your own opinion about these things in person, when you demo the amp yourself.

Mine is an F, it's in the very low 2000's.

WHOA, AWESOME!!!

There is actually another human being on this planet that has the two channel dual rec with the chrome chassis and polished diamond-plate faceplate. i custom ordered mine that way in '94, and have never seen another one since. I think my serial number is in the 3700's.

-russell

Wanna trade for my Series I Single Rec?

I LOVE the silverface

 

[HerbieBoogie]

i love my rk2. the el34s with the 6l6s is together makes a tasty tone! i like the tweed cleans too! sounds great... at least mine does.

whatever, it's all a crap shoot anyways

materialism will kill us all

 

[racerevlon]

WHOA, AWESOME!!!

There is actually another human being on this planet that has the two channel dual rec with the chrome chassis and polished diamond-plate faceplate. i custom ordered mine that way in '94, and have never seen another one since. I think my serial number is in the 3700's.

-russell

Make no mistake--that amp KILLS!! Listen to the clips from the recent West Coast Ampfest 2010. I've never been a fan of Rectifiers, and I wanted to take that bad boy home...

 

[some dude]

 

[Mailman1971]

I played one of the new ones and it was pretty kick ass to say the least.

 

[Audioholic]

Very nice comparison video. I thought the newer one sounded better in all instances with the same settings. Just had more clarity and better sound. Doesn't mean you could probably dial in the older one closer with change in eq. I would pick the newer ones based on this video.

 

[Mailman1971]

Very nice comparison video. I thought the newer one sounded better in all instances with the same settings. Just had more clarity and better sound. Doesn't mean you could probably dial in the older one closer with change in eq. I would pick the newer ones based on this video.

Yeah the newer ones sound like they are more clear or an EQ is on it.
I tried them both like that at the local music store a couple months back.
To my battered ears...the new version sounded better.

 

[Jimmie]

The older version sounded tired, almost like the tone control on the guitar was swept back.

 

[some dude]

I thought the older one sounded a little dead. Too dull in the mids and a boom in the bottom end. Some of this probably could've been overcome by re-eqing the amp, but that would defeat the purpose of an A/B session comparing the same settings.

Dude says they had a Recto 4x12 mic'd off camera and all they did when they switched amps was swap speaker cables.

The newer one sounds like they fattened up the mids and brought them forward while taming/tightening the bottom end. It could be that the new amp has new tubes or something... or it could be that Mesa finally listened to the last 10 years of near constant bitching and fixed their amp.

 

[Tvd]

I probably went through 10 two channels simply by hearing a better one after a better one until the pre 500 came.
I also played 6 2001 three channels at the music store and picked the best one. It lasted three months until it was gone.
A year later I played another 3 channel in GC and was floored by how much better it sounded.

All I can say about Mesa is they are consistently inconsistent. When they are great, they are great but the majority
sound a bit crappy and need to be weeded through. Again, they sounded either good or bad to my ears. I thought the single rec
I demoed years ago sounded terrible. After I was done another guy jumped in to test it and he sounded like god.

Ahhhhh This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, on the inside

 

[some dude]

One thing I would like to know is how the new 3ch compares to the Roadster. Most people seem to say that the Roadster is the best sounding current production Recto... so it'd be interesting to know.

 

[Flavatrocious]

Well I know that lolzgreg said he preferred the new dual rec to the old 2 and 3 channel versions. Said there is definitely an improvement in tone. I have yet to compare them myself but I trust his opinion.

+1 from myself.

I have played through one and it sounded like a Dual should sound, i dug it. I've played through a new triple as well, wasn't as impressed

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

I could compare a mustang and a camaro and put all season tires on one and summer performance tires on the other - it might skew the results, yes? Pete

Depends on the respective models' 2000 Mustang SVT R, or 1970 429 SCJ. These are stock off the production line models. There isn't a stock production line Camero that could compete against either regardless of tires..

Wow no wonder why the Mustang forums have special sub forums specially for Mustang owners that want to swap their Ford engines for 1997+ GM Gen III & IV Engines...

Here.... This section is for non-Ford powered FORD vehicle discussions. LSX, BBC, etc. Pertains to FORD bodies with non-Ford drivetrains. ...
http://forums.corral.net/forums/index.p ... 90c68b09ad
Look at all of those GM GEN III & IV Conversions going into Mustangs, LS1,LS2,LS3, LQ4,L92, LSX All GM Engines..
http://forums.corral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=364

Just fucking with you dude but it is very true, It is like buying a Rec and sending it to Fortin to put a Marshall in it and keep the Mesa shell...

 

[Jimmie]

I could compare a mustang and a camaro and put all season tires on one and summer performance tires on the other - it might skew the results, yes? Pete

Depends on the respective models' 2000 Mustang SVT R, or 1970 429 SCJ. These are stock off the production line models. There isn't a stock production line Camero that could compete against either regardless of tires..

Wow no wonder why the Mustang forums have special sub forums specially for Mustang owners that want to swap their Ford engines for 1997+ GM Gen III & IV Engines...

Here.... This section is for non-Ford powered FORD vehicle discussions. LSX, BBC, etc. Pertains to FORD bodies with non-Ford drivetrains. ...
http://forums.corral.net/forums/index.p ... 90c68b09ad
Look at all of those GM GEN III & IV Conversions going into Mustangs, LS1,LS2,LS3, LQ4,L92, LSX All GM Engines..
http://forums.corral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=364

Just fucking with you dude but it is very true, It is like buying a Rec and sending it to Fortin to put a Marshall in it and keep the Mesa shell...

closer to dropping in the electronics from Gorilla TC-35, looks cool as hell, but...
heh

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

closer to dropping in the electronics from Gorilla TC-35, looks cool as hell, but...
heh

Except those Mustang guys are experiencing better performance results than they did with the Ford engines they originally had...
You will not find any sub forums on any GM gen III & IV Forum on how I can down grade my engine to a Ford 4.6 v4 or swaps for the new 5.0.. They all moved to the 400+ cube GM Gen IV Engines

 

[Jimmie]

closer to dropping in the electronics from Gorilla TC-35, looks cool as hell, but...
heh

Except those Mustang guys are experiencing better performance results than they did with the Ford engines they originally had...
You will not find any sub forums on any GM gen III & IV Forum on how I can down grade my engine to a Ford 4.6 v4 or swaps for the new 5.0.. They all moved to the 400+ cube GM Gen IV Engines

You mean Chevy guys looking for a more appealing and areodynamic package than what they can find in the GM lineup. Mass production of the Chevy speed parts driving down the cost of going fast over the Ford parts or in other words, economics.

But at the end of the day, its still this: