The real cost of driving an EV...

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This study reads that based on a gallon of gas, a measure that most everyone understands, an electric vehicle costs $17.33 per gallon.
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That link wasn't working for me Dave....I'm sure CrazyNutz will be here in short order claiming the study is fraudulent and EV's are the best thing in the world even though our current grid cannot logistically handle even 20-30% EV's running around.

Here's the actual study:

https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost...ying-17-33-per-gallon-of-gasoline-study-finds

A comprehensive new study of electric vehicles shows that the cost of running them is far more expensive than has been commonly thought.

Brent Bennett and Jason Isaac issued their report for the Texas Public Policy Foundation, pointing out that advocates for electric vehicles claim the vehicles require lower maintenance and lower fueling costs than traditional vehicles, and future reductions in battery prices will make EVs less expensive.

But, they argue, “no one has attempted to calculate the full financial benefit of the wide array of direct subsidies, regulatory credits, and subsidized infrastructure that contribute to the economic viability of EVs.”

They give evidence that “the average model year (MY) 2021 EV would cost $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period without $22 billion in government favors given to EV manufacturers and owners. … Adding the costs of the subsidies to the true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline. And these estimates do not include the hundreds of billions more in subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) for various aspects of the EV supply chain, particularly for battery manufacturing.”

“Nearly $22 billion in federal and state subsidies and regulatory credits suppressed the retail price of EVs in 2021 by an average of almost $50,000,” they note.
 
That link wasn't working for me Dave....I'm sure CrazyNutz will be here in short order claiming the study is fraudulent and EV's are the best thing in the world even though our current grid cannot logistically handle even 20-30% EV's running around.

Here's the actual study:

https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost...ying-17-33-per-gallon-of-gasoline-study-finds

A comprehensive new study of electric vehicles shows that the cost of running them is far more expensive than has been commonly thought.

Brent Bennett and Jason Isaac issued their report for the Texas Public Policy Foundation, pointing out that advocates for electric vehicles claim the vehicles require lower maintenance and lower fueling costs than traditional vehicles, and future reductions in battery prices will make EVs less expensive.

But, they argue, “no one has attempted to calculate the full financial benefit of the wide array of direct subsidies, regulatory credits, and subsidized infrastructure that contribute to the economic viability of EVs.”

They give evidence that “the average model year (MY) 2021 EV would cost $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period without $22 billion in government favors given to EV manufacturers and owners. … Adding the costs of the subsidies to the true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline. And these estimates do not include the hundreds of billions more in subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) for various aspects of the EV supply chain, particularly for battery manufacturing.”

“Nearly $22 billion in federal and state subsidies and regulatory credits suppressed the retail price of EVs in 2021 by an average of almost $50,000,” they note.
I fixed the link, but your first sentence sums it up...
 
A Report from Consumer Reports..........................

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...-reliable-than-conventional-cars-a1047214174/

Electric Vehicles Are Less Reliable Than Conventional Cars...79% more problems...​


Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars. Based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles, the survey covers 20 potential problem areas, including engine, transmission, electric motors, leaks, and infotainment systems.

“Most electric cars today are being manufactured by either legacy automakers that are new to EV technology, or by companies like Rivian that are new to making cars,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “It’s not surprising that they’re having growing pains and need some time to work out the bugs.” Fisher says some of the most common problems EV owners report are issues with electric drive motors, charging, and EV batteries. (Note: Charging problems reported by members are with the vehicle, not with home or public chargers.)
 
There's no stopping it. It doesn't matter how 'enviro friendly' or environmentally destructive they are, that's not the point at all with EV and the push for everything to electric. It's solely about control, globally all the way down to the individual. ICE cars not very dissimilar to current models could easily be getting 100mpg if there was legislation or subsidy to do so. If they really wanted to, they could legislate normal grocery getter cars to 300mpg in about 10 years.
So arguing this point about 'the real cost' against EVs is pointless.

Volkswagen 2.0l turbo diesels were getting 52mpg in Jettas, Golfs, Passats until the government sued the shit out of VW for some phoney made up 'emissions scam.' Even if you accepted the govt figures on the over emitting, the overall efficiency/pollution was far less than gas cars getting 30mpg. The VW 1.3l in Passats would get 80+mpg back then.

I highly doubt governments will allow alt fuels like hydrogen to go forward. Electric based energy allows them the control this entire ordeal is about.
 
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There's no stopping it. It doesn't matter how 'enviro friendly' or environmentally destructive they are, that's not the point at all with EV and the push for everything to electric. It's solely about control, globally all the way down to the individual. ICE cars not very dissimilar to current models could easily be getting 100mpg if there was legislation or subsidy to do so. If they really wanted to, they could legislate normal grocery getter cars to 300mpg in about 10 years.
So arguing this point about 'the real cost' against EVs is pointless.

Volkswagen 2.0l turbo diesels were getting 52mpg in Jettas, Golfs, Passats until the government sued the shit out of VW for some phoney made up 'emissions scam.' Even if you accepted the govt figures on the over emitting, the overall efficiency/pollution was far less than gas cars getting 30mpg. The VW 1.3l in Passats would get 80+mpg back then.

I highly doubt governments will allow alt fuels like hydrogen to go forward. Electric based energy allows them the control this entire ordeal is about.
I think a regular car can be converted to get that kind of mileage via pre-heating the fuel from the exhaust headers. Someone has already done it. So you invent the device and some corporate dick offers you a price you can't refuse for your patent. It's easier to take the cash and run than to try and produce and market it with greedy oil companies and other opposition working against you so they get bought out and the patent is shelved.
 
I think a regular car can be converted to get that kind of mileage via pre-heating the fuel from the exhaust headers. Someone has already done it. So you invent the device and some corporate dick offers you a price you can't refuse for your patent. It's easier to take the cash and run than to try and produce and market it with greedy oil companies and other opposition working against you so they get bought out and the patent is shelved.
see: Patterson Cell

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https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...ction-at-factory-zero-after-fire/71977405007/

GM halts production at Factory Zero after a fire fills plant with smoke​


General Motors shut down production at its Factory Zero in Detroit and Hamtramck for the night Tuesday after a fire inside the plant.

Detroit Fire Chief James Harris told the Detroit Free Press that the fire department called third-alarm fire late Tuesday afternoon so that it would have enough manpower to fight the blaze.

"It wound up being some lithium ion batteries," Harris said of the fire. He confirmed there was heavy smoke throughout much of the 4.5 million square foot facility.

"No firefighters or civilians or GM employees were injured, but we did evacuate the building for precaution and it's still smoldering," Harris said around 6:15 p.m. Tuesday. "We're still on the scene making sure no one gets injured and we're still investigating the cause."
 

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