anomaly
Well-known member
Come on people, watch it, he tells you where the tone of an amp comes from, It's really interesting. I love the tackle box amp he comes up with at the end.
cetanu
Well-known member
I thought it's more interesting that there are still people out there that are flabbergasted by the results of his experiments considering that the information of "where tone comes from in a guitar amp" should be common knowledge by now or that there are imbeciles on TGP getting their knickers in a twist because of that video and argueing with guys like teemuk who literally wrote a book about the technical aspects of amplifiers because they can't comprehend what the Lill dude in that video did.
It just shows that the same bs that we were told as teens is still in rotation decades later which is kinda sad and makes a video like this all the more worthwhile.
It's certainly a welcomed deviation from influencer marketing and companies trying to sell their snakeoil in the vast universe of bullshit that is social media and that tackle box eerily reminds me of the time when we would go out of our way to gut, rebuild and mod old PA amps and come up with the weirdest guitar amp abominations that could sound like a wet fart or outright phenomenal.
It just shows that the same bs that we were told as teens is still in rotation decades later which is kinda sad and makes a video like this all the more worthwhile.
It's certainly a welcomed deviation from influencer marketing and companies trying to sell their snakeoil in the vast universe of bullshit that is social media and that tackle box eerily reminds me of the time when we would go out of our way to gut, rebuild and mod old PA amps and come up with the weirdest guitar amp abominations that could sound like a wet fart or outright phenomenal.
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tlp1234
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It's not the only avocation this happens to.
I'm an old geezer/boomer at 64. Ham radio is another useless but well enjoyed hobby of mine. This is prevelant in ham radio today.
We call these people "appliance operators". Many have no technical background. You don't need it today to pass any of the USA Amateur Radio exams. Only the ability to memorize enough correct answers to pass. FCC publishes all exam element questions and answers.
Anything they don't understand is 'magic" to them. They're not stupid per se, they just don't have enough technical knowledge and hands on experience, and the application of it to truly have a sound insight into how things electronic work.
As far as cures for "GAS". There aren't any.
The closest I've come to that for myself, is having a moderate collection of guitars and amps that were carefully chosen over many years to produce "the sounds in my head". Some will go unplayed for up to a year (or more). When a particular piece finally makes it into rotation, it indeed is like getting a new amp or guitar.
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Jack Luminous
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I still don't get how all these youtube videos relate to "real-world" electric guitar playing. Anyone with reasonable skills can make a 1998 kidney bean Line 6 Pod sound reasonably close to a $5K Soldano head in a youtube recording. What does it prove exactly ? It just proves youtube is not the real world. How relevant is this ? I'm not sure.
tlp1234
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How relevant? What does it prove? Depends on who you are.
It's all jaundiced by emotion to some degree. Sometimes a lot. And confirmation bias can also be a factor.
All the gear I own was carefully picked over the years. I was never a fan of the constant buy/sell, buy more/sell more psychotic gear merry go around.
I'm pretty happy with all my stuff. But there have been days when none of it (not all at once) sounded good. It was not the gear. It was me.
There's a lot of good info on YT and a lot of garbage. I catergorize most of it as entertainment. I don't take it seriously.
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Racerxrated
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Agree 100%. Fact is, these days you can use almost anything to emulate any tone you want on a recording. So, it’s completely irrelevant to ME how a recorded tone was achieved, simply because it doesn’t take anything special to get there anymore. You have Kemper, AXE that can record great tones direct. Short of that I’ve heard cheap stuff sound great recorded. So these YouTube comparisons on recorded tones, who cares. When our tech is so advanced that one takes a cheap processor and can make it sound as good as anything recorded over the last 40 years, then comparing expensive tube amps to cheap stuff in a recording context just doesn’t tell me anything other than, if I want to record something I’ll just buy a used AXE and be done with it.
But, I personally don’t care how anything is recorded, what recordings used this/that amp blah blah blah. I buy and use certain gear because I play them every day, and the most important thing to ME is how it sounds/feels/reacts in the room, or live on stage.
alund
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This.^ I care what I sound like in the moment.. not on recording. I enjoy people saying “that sounded great tonight”. I enjoy me saying …that tone was good tonight. I don’t want highlights on a video. I wanna remember it for the moment it happened.. that’s why I like the soldano’s and all the rest.
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Racerxrated
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A recording never ever tells anything about the sound in the room, thump and feel of any amp. Well, it’ll get partial sound in the room but it never tells the whole story no matter who or how the rig is recorded.
tlp1234
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Blimey!! Such profound revelations. We've finally arrived to find the holy grail.
Devin
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On the flipside there are people on this forum who believe the way an amp sounds in the room means nothing and they only care about how it sounds recorded (for the record I'm not one of those people lol)
tlp1234
Moderator
Aye matey......I'll indulge my dogma and agree with you.
I've always preferred live in the room (where ever that room is). Lots less to hide behind. Who hasn't heard awesome sounds from rigs that make no sense. I know I have.
50 years ago when I was a kid, we never thought about this silly assed nonsense. Our guitar and amp selections were much, much less than what's available today. We used what we could afford, and had a large time inspite of it all. Less.....much less was definitely MORE. I guess we were too young and stupid to know any better
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Bardagh
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Pfft I don’t need to watch that. I already know that an amp’s tone comes from a combination of how expensive it is and whether any players with internet clout use them.
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Jack Luminous
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Pheeew so I'm not totally crazy. I'm kinda glad I started playing guitar about 35 years ago. First serious amp I bought at the time, two years in, was a used 2203 half-stack (for cheap). I then proceeded to haul it at every jam/rehearsal/high-school gig/bar gig etc. The video above with the cardboard box and a bunch of pedals daisy-chained inside makes me kinda sad for newcomers. I'm also sad being kinda old but that's another story LOL
tlp1234
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Absolutely! Hopefully you still have that 2203, but if you were like me who'd a thunkit then what that would be worth now?
Ah the good old days before whisper quiet stages, god damned inner ear monitors, and plexi-glass/lexan drum barriers. You remember when loud was good. No one was watching stupid assed YT, no internet pissing contests over what's what, and what's not.
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tlp1234
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Surely you must be referring to that pretentious, dumbass affinity club called TGP
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Jack Luminous
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Yeah I still have it, now it's a full-stack and also a second head I bought 10 years later (for cheap too, noone wanted them at the time) because I was so glad with the first one. I like it loud too. It doesn't sound like an electric guitar when it's whisper quiet, or even in earphones/earpods/earbuds/inear thing/whatever. Air must be moving. A large cone area must be moving too. It doesn't sound right without that. A grand piano or a drumkit doesn't sound right thru earbuds either so it's not that surprising.
tlp1234
Moderator
Right on Brother. I wish I could stand to use IEM's but the lack of what I need to hear, or I should say want to hear just kills my inspiration.
I'm just too damned old and stupid to do things different. I hope the hell we see a renaissance of loud stages again at least locally. But those days are probably long gone and never coming back.
Techdeth
RESIDENT ROCK PROFESSOR
Definitely. In the room is where you realize a shit amp is a shit amp
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phil b
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ABSOLUTELY!!! Its not that hard to get a really good recorded sound with just an average amp with all the outboard gear and plug ins nowadays.
I have heard some amps that sound like shit recorded (just a mic, flat, no enhancements} and vice versa. Every once in a while you do come across that just kills live and recorded.. and those are the amps that are the Holy Grails imo
