"The Death of Real Music"

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Problem with all the tik tok and Insta guitarists is they never really need to play live / throw down in front of people before they get the endorsements and deals. All that matters to the companies are the views and exposure. Less seem to care about real human excellence anymore which is sad to me because it used to drive people to be their best and now it just drives up the use of software and editing. We're really quite pathetic...

...and don't get me started on those whores in the Gym's! Do better! 🤣


it wasnt like that in the 80s though?? how many of those hair bands got signed on nothing more than their look who really werent good enough to record a major label album, the producers and session guys basically write and record the album for them and then the band gets all the endorsements from that? I know Warrant and a few other bands didnt record any of their own stuff. heavy editing has been going on since the 70s, thats nothing new
 
Well I originally commented, as said in my original comment, that I believe there is a swing towards more “organic singer/songwriter” type music gaining popularity in the charts. So, I do not believe “real music is dying”. If anything there is a resurgence.
That's because the tool on a stool is a cheap way to claim you have a live music venue.
 
it wasnt like that in the 80s though?? how many of those hair bands got signed on nothing more than their look who really werent good enough to record a major label album, the producers and session guys basically write and record the album for them and then the band gets all the endorsements from that? I know Warrant and a few other bands didnt record any of their own stuff. heavy editing has been going on since the 70s, thats nothing new
It’s not even remotely the same thing. All those guys still have to go out and play live or they would have had no career. If you were a rock or metal band back then and didn’t tour, you wouldn’t make it past one album. Or even maybe get to the first one. A label wouldn’t have signed a rock band they didn’t think could tour. They were signing almost all of those bands out of the clubs
Warrant guys had to woodshed and practice to get as close or even the same live to what the session guys did and any band that had session players still needed to play it live with the original members. Plus it was the producer making that call, not them.
Often a session player was used purely because time in the studio was big money and either somebody was too busy or strung out with their drug/alcohol habit or couldn’t get it together in the time they had….not because they’re outright wanted to fake themselves. The session player often mimicking the member’s style, knowing they’ll play it themselves later. One of the more well known examples being Kiss. But nobody doubted Ace and Peter’s ability to do on stage what was on the record (if they weren’t too fucked up at the time anyway 😁)
A lot of those guys in the 80’s were still releasing Hot Licks and REH vids which were them 100%.
Cinderella used a session drummer but toured with the member. Nobody in the audience would have been able to tell..but for the record they wanted that perfection and he was delivering 85-90%.
This is nothing compared to people today outright defrauding and lying about what they can do to generate income and notoriety and getting to skate on performing it live. The only direct tie in to something similar I can think of is Milli Vanilli where they sang to tracks live because they had never recorded the vocals themselves.
For modern folks, there’s a big difference between editing takes together (comping) that you actually played vs. miming over a track or recording it at half to 3/4 tempo and speeding it back up. Also a big difference between having written something or crediting another player vs. outright theft of what you’re doing and calling it yours.
Spotify is full of channels where they steal smaller artists songs/recordings and make their own channel saying it’s them and get 1000’s of streams. Often more than the real artist. Ola even showed his original songs being used in this way. There’s also a lot of AI based channels that aggregate material from others to play as their own and it’s not even a person, just an AI front for a scumbag.
 
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It is literally the complete opposite here, there are multiple clubs that are packed every night with original bands of 20somethings playing tube amps. It is mostly neo-funk, jammy and blues bands, probably not stuff most here would be into, but it’s live “real” music. There’s no chance an 80s cover band would get a gig around here because no one would show up.
That was here like 25 years ago. Enjoy it while you got it.
 
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It’s not even remotely the same thing. All those guys still have to go out and play live or they would have had no career. If you were a rock or metal band back then and didn’t tour, you wouldn’t make it past one album. Or even maybe get to the first one. A label wouldn’t have signed a rock band they didn’t think could tour. They were signing almost all of those bands out of the clubs
Warrant guys had to woodshed and practice to get as close or even the same live to what the session guys did and any band that had session players still needed to play it live with the original members. Plus it was the producer making that call, not them.
Often a session player was used purely because time in the studio was big money and either somebody was too busy or strung out with their drug/alcohol habit or couldn’t get it together in the time they had….not because they’re outright wanted to fake themselves. The session player often mimicking the member’s style, knowing they’ll play it themselves later. One of the more well known examples being Kiss. But nobody doubted Ace and Peter’s ability to do on stage what was on the record (if they weren’t too fucked up at the time anyway 😁)
A lot of those guys in the 80’s were still releasing Hot Licks and REH vids which were them 100%.
Cinderella used a session drummer but toured with the member. Nobody in the audience would have been able to tell..but for the record they wanted that perfection and he was delivering 85-90%.
This is nothing compared to people today outright defrauding and lying about what they can do to generate income and notoriety and getting to skate on performing it live. The only direct tie in to something similar I can think of is Milli Vanilli where they sang to tracks live because they had never recorded the vocals themselves.
For modern folks, there’s a big difference between editing takes together (comping) that you actually played and miming over a track or recording it at half to 3/4 tempo and speeding it back up. Also a big difference between having written something or crediting another player vs. outright theft of what you’re doing and calling it yours.
Spotify is full of channels where they steal smaller artists songs/recordings and make their own channel saying it’s them and get 1000’s of streams. Often more than the real artist. Ola even showed his original songs being used in this way. There’s also a lot of AI based channels that aggregate material from others to play as their own and it’s not even a person, just an AI front for a scumbag.


100% correct, not even remotely the same thing - and I don't even like hair bands.

You could say the same thing about the sex pistols too then, right?

Since Steve Jones or whoever played bass on "nevermind the bollocks" that's the same thing as literally faking your shit?

I'm sorry that argument holds exactly zero water.

I and many other RTers have worked in studios and I've already explained the type of "fakery" in the past that was used (itemized) and how often (not very) and how everyone felt about it (last resort).

Trying to convince me THAT is the same thing as literally faking your playing/stealing people's shit just means you don't actually understand how these "studio tricks" work.

That's like trying to rationalize a home break in stabbing by saying a soldier at Iwa Jima bayonet-ed a guy once. It's just admitting you don't remotely understand the dynamics or the process of either 🤷
 
I’m sure there are still old people waiting for doowop, muscle cars and horse racing to make a comeback too, but that’s unlikely to happen
Come to Ohio….at least for horse racing and muscle cars.
 
Yeah, that doesn't even count as "live music" where I live, and people that play those gigs do so at restaurants.
So a single person on a single stool with nowhere to hide or “fake it” is not real live music to you either? I think you need to figure out what you are really upset about lol.
 
So a single person on a single stool with nowhere to hide or “fake it” is not real live music to you either? I think you need to figure out what you are really upset about lol.
Pretty sure he’s annoyed that as a professional musician, his trade is being diminished by lesser musicians due to IP theft, flashy marketing and studio magic. I don’t believe he is worried about the guy playing Margaritaville in the corner of the pub during happy hour.
 
Come to Ohio….at least for horse racing and muscle cars.
I'm playing the old doowap club tomorrow. It used to be a Jazz and Blues club, but they've been reaching out to the local metal scene to do shows. The metal club a few doors down is mostly focused on drag shows and gender politics now, and doesn't have many shows, so we're going to play a blues club instead. Weird times.
 
Pretty sure he’s annoyed that as a professional musician, his trade is being diminished by lesser musicians due to IP theft, flashy marketing and studio magic. I don’t believe he is worried about the guy playing Margaritaville in the corner of the pub during happy hour.

He made the comment about it not being a “real venue”, not me. Just like he has his own opinion of what a “real guitarist” should play during a Blooze jam.

Like I said before, if these bands really can’t pull it off live, then they won’t be getting booked again. If they continue putting butts in seats, then they aren’t faking anything
 
I'm playing the old doowap club tomorrow. It used to be a Jazz and Blues club, but they've been reaching out to the local metal scene to do shows. The metal club a few doors down is mostly focused on drag shows and gender politics now, and doesn't have many shows, so we're going to play a blues club instead. Weird times.
it worked for the NY Dolls and Twisted Sister, maybe drag can work for you too? :D
 
Yeah, that doesn't even count as "live music" where I live, and people that play those gigs do so at restaurants.
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So a single person on a single stool with nowhere to hide or “fake it” is not real live music to you either? I think you need to figure out what you are really upset about lol.

I didn't even mean that as a pejorative - I just mean literally - where i live - people don't consider that "live music" in the same way, because it's played at italian restaurants instead of clubs and theatres.

It certainly takes talent and all that.

Who am I going to ban? Myself? :ROFLMAO:

Pretty sure he’s annoyed that as a professional musician, his trade is being diminished by lesser musicians due to IP theft, flashy marketing and studio magic. I don’t believe he is worried about the guy playing Margaritaville in the corner of the pub during happy hour.

Correct. This is the big issue. And I wouldn't even say it's "diminished" as much as the safeguards and social contracts that used to be in place to combat against those types of issues are completely gone. (as I explained in previous posts)

It's literally the wild west right now, and not in the romantic hollywood movie sense.
 
I don't have any social media, I do feel like I am "out of touch". I did see some videos posted here where people were manipulating their content to make it seem like they were more than they were. I am a middling guitarist, I let my parts stand on their own. There is nothing wrong with that, but to fake things, I just don't get it.
You are not missing anything man. Most people just act like jackasses.

All of these people can get clicks, etc. At the end of the day, playing guitar is a release for most of us and it about that feeling.
 
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