Thinking about selling my Bogner XTC 101b

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Absolutely great amp but don't know if I can justify keeping it and my PT100. Please talk me out of it (or make me an offer)! ;)
 
bit off topic but how do you like the suhr 2x12 with M75s?

i have a empty suhr 2x12 cab here and dunno what to put in it :)
 
JKae":8703bf0z said:
bit off topic but how do you like the suhr 2x12 with M75s?

i have a empty suhr 2x12 cab here and dunno what to put in it :)
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I love it. M75 to me is just the perfect speaker. There is none of that ear fatigue you get with v30s after a while at high volume. The Suhr 2x12 is a great cab too. The only cab that I sounded ever so slightly better was a Bogner OS 2x12 with m75s.
 
Why don't ya just keep both - it's not like women where they get a bit antsy if they're not the only one in yer movie, now what I mean...?

Just keep it. And eventually, that PT will sound a bit common, and you'll fire the 101B up and life will be once again good.

Peace,
Mo
 
Keep it - you will buy another one if you get rid of it....
 
Sell it and get the Uberschall :lol: :LOL: I've got both and when I get done having some fun with it the 101b is gonna go. Not that their are even remotely similar, just preference.
 
you know what? i saved up for a few years to get a 101b and when i finally got her and plugged her in, i was totally let down. it sounded great, but didn't floor me.

i sold it within weeks... it sounded too similar to my carvin legacy.. i couldn't justify keeping it.

don't know where i was going with this, but i would sell the amp...
 
Thanks guys. Obviously lots of varied opinions! I keep thinking maybe I should move this an someday acquire a 20th anniversary on the used market.

The XTC is not an amp that sounds great with all knobs at noon and switches in random places. I needed to spend some quality time with this to dial it in and now I think it sounds great. But if push came to shove I'd keep the PT. that's why I'm so on the fence.

But yeah, since I don't NEED the cash urgently maybe I'll keep it around for a bit and just enjoy it.

Well see how often I plug into it in the coming weeks and reevaluate...
 
EWSEthan":1x33722r said:
Thanks guys. Obviously lots of varied opinions! I keep thinking maybe I should move this an someday acquire a 20th anniversary on the used market.
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I spent two years trying to get a 100B to sound as good as my Marshalls in my home studio. When I got the holy grail of Bogner Ecstasy's, I literally put my Marshalls in the closet and forgot about them.

For two years in my studio, all I did was move microphones, trying to find the sweet spot. Then, all I did was buy and try new microphones trying to find the sweet spot. Then all I did was buy new mic preamps to use with all the new microphones trying to find the sweet spot.

I literally did not record a single "keeper" guitar track in those two years as I was never happy with the sound.

One day, I just said "screw it". This was as good as it was going to get. For the heck of it I decided to record in stereo. I pulled an old Marshall Super Lead out of the closet. I threw it on top of my 2nd best sounding cab (the Bogner got the best sounding cab). I literally grabbed an SM57 and threw it on the speaker quickly. I plugged that SM57 into the crappy mic pre on my little Mackie mixer and I pressed Record.

I had the 100B on one side, killer cab, SM57, vintage API mic pre and the old Marshall with the lesser of everything on the other side. When I listened back, I was stoked. NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!! So I did some more listening, messing with the levels of each track and what do you know? The Marshall sounded freaking great, the Bogner sounded blah. I grabbed another Marshall and replaced the Bogner with it. It sounded monster together with the other Marshall and on it's own.

The next day the 100B went up for sale. Then a couple of years ago, just to make sure I was right I picked up a 101B. I sold that thing a couple of weeks later.

I think they sound great in the room, but for the life of me, I can't capture any of it in a recording.

YMMV
 
Sometimes change is good. For the past 5 years, the 101B had been my #1. In between two SLO's, a PT100 and a couple of others have come and gone. Last year I picked up a 20th XTC. And then one day I got bored and two weeks later, both XTC's were gone. And while I loved the feel and tone of both by themselves, the truth is that neither cut through the mix as well as I would have liked. I have zero seller's remorse. Although I am jonesing for another Shiva. Had a NR 6L6 that I never should have sold. Maybe someday.
 
billm408":2xb30mr0 said:
Sometimes change is good. For the past 5 years, the 101B had been my #1. In between two SLO's, a PT100 and a couple of others have come and gone. Last year I picked up a 20th XTC. And then one day I got bored and two weeks later, both XTC's were gone. And while I loved the feel and tone of both by themselves, the truth is that neither cut through the mix as well as I would have liked. I have zero seller's remorse. Although I am jonesing for another Shiva. Had a NR 6L6 that I never should have sold. Maybe someday.
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So what are you playing through now?
 
Chubtone":12mpmfnc said:
I spent two years trying to get a 100B to sound as good as my Marshalls in my home studio. When I got the holy grail of Bogner Ecstasy's, I literally put my Marshalls in the closet and forgot about them.

For two years in my studio, all I did was move microphones, trying to find the sweet spot. Then, all I did was buy and try new microphones trying to find the sweet spot. Then all I did was buy new mic preamps to use with all the new microphones trying to find the sweet spot.

I literally did not record a single "keeper" guitar track in those two years as I was never happy with the sound.

One day, I just said "screw it". This was as good as it was going to get. For the heck of it I decided to record in stereo. I pulled an old Marshall Super Lead out of the closet. I threw it on top of my 2nd best sounding cab (the Bogner got the best sounding cab). I literally grabbed an SM57 and threw it on the speaker quickly. I plugged that SM57 into the crappy mic pre on my little Mackie mixer and I pressed Record.

I had the 100B on one side, killer cab, SM57, vintage API mic pre and the old Marshall with the lesser of everything on the other side. When I listened back, I was stoked. NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!! So I did some more listening, messing with the levels of each track and what do you know? The Marshall sounded freaking great, the Bogner sounded blah. I grabbed another Marshall and replaced the Bogner with it. It sounded monster together with the other Marshall and on it's own.

The next day the 100B went up for sale. Then a couple of years ago, just to make sure I was right I picked up a 101B. I sold that thing a couple of weeks later.

I think they sound great in the room, but for the life of me, I can't capture any of it in a recording.

YMMV
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This is very interesting! I think I know what you mean. As gnarly as the XTC gets, I think it's almost too polite compared to an amp with a high mid emphasis. It can sound angry but I can't seem to get it pissed off. If that makes any sense...
 
EWSEthan":hcswap3m said:
This is very interesting! I think I know what you mean. As gnarly as the XTC gets, I think it's almost too polite compared to an amp with a high mid emphasis. It can sound angry but I can't seem to get it pissed off. If that makes any sense...
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Thats a pretty good summary
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I think I'm going to let this one go. Listed in the classifieds...
 
EWSEthan":19gum64q said:
Chubtone":19gum64q said:
I spent two years trying to get a 100B to sound as good as my Marshalls in my home studio. When I got the holy grail of Bogner Ecstasy's, I literally put my Marshalls in the closet and forgot about them.

For two years in my studio, all I did was move microphones, trying to find the sweet spot. Then, all I did was buy and try new microphones trying to find the sweet spot. Then all I did was buy new mic preamps to use with all the new microphones trying to find the sweet spot.

I literally did not record a single "keeper" guitar track in those two years as I was never happy with the sound.

One day, I just said "screw it". This was as good as it was going to get. For the heck of it I decided to record in stereo. I pulled an old Marshall Super Lead out of the closet. I threw it on top of my 2nd best sounding cab (the Bogner got the best sounding cab). I literally grabbed an SM57 and threw it on the speaker quickly. I plugged that SM57 into the crappy mic pre on my little Mackie mixer and I pressed Record.

I had the 100B on one side, killer cab, SM57, vintage API mic pre and the old Marshall with the lesser of everything on the other side. When I listened back, I was stoked. NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!! So I did some more listening, messing with the levels of each track and what do you know? The Marshall sounded freaking great, the Bogner sounded blah. I grabbed another Marshall and replaced the Bogner with it. It sounded monster together with the other Marshall and on it's own.

The next day the 100B went up for sale. Then a couple of years ago, just to make sure I was right I picked up a 101B. I sold that thing a couple of weeks later.

I think they sound great in the room, but for the life of me, I can't capture any of it in a recording.

YMMV
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This is very interesting! I think I know what you mean. As gnarly as the XTC gets, I think it's almost too polite compared to an amp with a high mid emphasis. It can sound angry but I can't seem to get it pissed off. If that makes any sense...
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I think 20th can get pretty aggressive...I had 34's in mine, but the amp got more aggressive, tight and clearer with KT77's...cuts thru the band mix without a problem...I'm really happy with this combo...more immediate response and the tone holds together with more fidelity and richness to the tone...

I agree on the 101b...it takes some time to tweak...with the 20th you can just set everything at noon and it'll sound great...very easy to dial in...reminds me of a Shiva in that regard...
 
Good luck sellin' her Bro.... No sweat man, if she's not doing it for ya, then off it goes.

As for getting a 20thA, for sure - total game changer. If you can find one, that is. Seems to me they're growing more rare by the month on the used market. The 20thA is my keeper - blows my nut every time I hear it. Polite it is not, at least not when you don't want it to be.

Good luck out there...
Mo :thumbsup:
 
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