Thinking of selling everything and getting a Kemper...

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thegame":2tvbl8ho said:
Interesting, thanks. The way I see it, presence/treble/mid/bass are for adjusting to personal preference, and equally importantly, adjusting to room acoustics. Any amp needs to be EQ'd to the room, let alone profiling it by itself, and then having that profile live with competing instruments. Those aforementioned settings on the profiled amp may need to be substantially tweaked when the Kemper is brought to a different environment, and if the Kemper cannot change those variables the same way, then you're going to get further and further from the original amp sound.

Here's a scenario for you:

I'm using a real tube amp. I'm in the studio. I just recorded a killer track, and during the mix the guitar just isn't bright enough.

Are they going to add eq at the board/mixer, or are they going to make me recut the track and add a little presence on the amp? :)

Same concept at a gig. I could give an ant fart on a windy day whether or not adding presence acts just like the amp that I modeled, as long as it adds presence to the tone and helps me get the sound I want.
 
Randy Van Sykes":292xzeb9 said:
With the Kemper the deal breaker for me is the look/design of it. I won't buy a product like that until it's in a rack form or something much easier to carry around.

You'd be amazed how easy it is to navigate though - I thought the same thing at first, but I prefer how it is now for quick tweaks or setting changes. I don't toss my gear around, so I don't worry about it not living in a rack. I'm just careful with it when I transport it... I never had road cases for my amps and those things are full of glass! (tubes)
 
VESmedic":1a3gu51k said:
thegame":1a3gu51k said:
VESmedic":1a3gu51k said:
thegame":1a3gu51k said:
redrol":1a3gu51k said:
thegame":1a3gu51k said:
When you profile an amp, you're getting the essence of it through a conventional speaker cab, right ? So your amp profile is married to whatever speaker its going through during the profiling process ?

So then, in the studio you plug into the Kemper and play through clean studio monitors ?
And live, the Kemper goes direct into the PA and you play through stage monitors ?

Lastly, how would you play it through a guitar setup like Juggy mentioned (VHT 2150) since you're sending a profile "sample" integrating amplifier plus speaker/cab coloration, then pumping that through a power amp/speaker cab setup ?

Yes when you profile you capture the speaker, the cab, and the mic and mic preamp tone all in one. If you want to remove (most) of the cab/speaker effect there an option on the monitor outs to disable them. This enhancment was done recently so people could more realistically play through real amp heads and cabs while sending the cab emulated tone to the FOH.

Cool, thanks. What happens when you want to change the treble setting, for example, on your profiled amp, after its profiled ? Even if the Kemper has its own tone parameters, how could it change it the same way as on the amp ?


Okay, so for instance, you profile a 5150 head, and then after the profile is made, you want to turn up the treble on the kemper, and you want to know if it reacts like the 5150s treble pot correct? The answer is no, it can not do that....YET. According to kemper, he is building a huge library of tone stacks that will be available for the kemper sometime. When it happens, not really sure, but what you are asking out of the kemper is supposively in the works, available for a later firmware upgrade.

Interesting, thanks. The way I see it, presence/treble/mid/bass are for adjusting to personal preference, and equally importantly, adjusting to room acoustics. Any amp needs to be EQ'd to the room, let alone profiling it by itself, and then having that profile live with competing instruments. Those aforementioned settings on the profiled amp may need to be substantially tweaked when the Kemper is brought to a different environment, and if the Kemper cannot change those variables the same way, then you're going to get further and further from the original amp sound.



I guess I see what you are saying, but I think you are making it more complicated than it is. For instance, How is that any different when you take your amp to a live show, and it is miced up? The sound guy decides you need more bass. or mids, less treble etc or whatever, he is essentially doing the same thing. He is adjusting an EQ that is not attached to your amp whatsoever as well you know?

Well its different from a conventional amp setup in that, yes the sound man can adjust your overall EQ at the desk, but you can still do it at the original source (your amp on stage). With the Kemper, you're adjusting it in a different way (via the Kempers controls) AND the direct signal can still be processed by the soundman any way he sees fit. A direct feed to the mixing desk is no guarantee the soundman won't mess with your tone or leave it neutral.
 
daver101":3lye1sqd said:
I've been messing around with an Egnator model and the Dimed Bassman model.....


Dave, go to the link on my page. I have some Cameron Atomica, Friedman Marshall, Fortin Marshall and vintage Marshall profiles on there. They are pretty damned good IMO even if I'm not a recording engineer :)
 
stratotone":18cjvnvf said:
Randy Van Sykes":18cjvnvf said:
With the Kemper the deal breaker for me is the look/design of it. I won't buy a product like that until it's in a rack form or something much easier to carry around.

You'd be amazed how easy it is to navigate though - I thought the same thing at first, but I prefer how it is now for quick tweaks or setting changes. I don't toss my gear around, so I don't worry about it not living in a rack. I'm just careful with it when I transport it... I never had road cases for my amps and those things are full of glass! (tubes)
I think one needs to try before making a judgment call. I think the Kemper is laid out more intuitively than the Axe-II by a mile. Especially to us knuckle-dragging guitarists. Just sayin'....

Mo
 
Im kinda thinking the same. Why do I need an amp if i can have a Kemper. The clips sound identical. The only thing I question is the feel.
 
Nice. So now what??? Everything says Kemper.

I lied because i do question this: will I ever settle with 1 tone with endless options?
 
stratotone":3sb9atin said:
https://soundcloud.com/okstrat/highwaystarsolofaded

18 watt marshall I scratchbuilt and modded

Man, that sounded good.
 
maddnotez":1i6zy0zu said:
Nice. So now what??? Everything says Kemper.

I lied because i do question this: will I ever settle with 1 tone with endless options?
You know, there's something to be said about owning and pwning 1 tone and 1 tone only. Think about it. You just have that "limited" spectrum to work with, and you squeeze the shit outta that range, you'll get to know that 'tone' and what it's capable of more than any experimentation and work on design. It becomes "your sound". There's something to be said about that.

In today's realm, shit man, we have options galore - the interwebz, instant info, gobs and gobs of too many options and pursuits. The cats that had limited gear or range or whatever worked those limitations to the nines and it became them and vice versa. I think having an amp and an ax, and plugging in and just givin' er is more solid that bending hunched over, tweaking a computer screen or some green-screen hell thing trying to make it "perfect".

Whatever. I'm nuts.
 
stratotone":185yn3zg said:
daver101":185yn3zg said:
I've been messing around with an Egnator model and the Dimed Bassman model.....


Dave, go to the link on my page. I have some Cameron Atomica, Friedman Marshall, Fortin Marshall and vintage Marshall profiles on there. They are pretty damned good IMO even if I'm not a recording engineer :)

OMG! Thanks for the link!
 
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