This is what burns my ass in regards to the axe-fx zealots.

[Anonymous]

somewhere along the line someone compares it to a tube amp instead of finding what the device is really good at. some await the masterfull device that ends tube amps. Guess it comes down to people don't want to use a tool as it may be intended.. also, all the comparison clips really get things going as well I think. I try to use amps for what each is best at.

But the Axe, Line 6, Tone Lab, et al are marketed and built to model tube amps and or cabs. Why does it surprise people that they get compared to tube amps and or cabs???

sometimes I am suprised.. I agree marketed and it's aimed at tubes. comparing can be like splitting hairs, it gets close but its not 100% at what point, or when in time does it not matter to a player? I dunno.. a lot of splitting hairs going on, and i am just watching the game, I know my Rocktron Voodu valve fromthe 90's did a REAL good job at acting and feeling like tubes. this (Axe-fx) isnt anything new.. but improved I would say, yes.

I loved my VoodooValve when I had one... Nice unit witha power amp and speakers. Direct recorded didn't do it for me though...

Steve

 

[Hacksaw]

I loved my VoodooValve when I had one... Nice unit witha power amp and speakers. Direct recorded didn't do it for me though...

Steve

I still have one. just racked it back up about a month ago. used it for the "bedroom amp" with a clone 5e3 when I broke my leg back in feb. and was stuck in bed

Rik

 

[Hollywood]

I loved my VoodooValve when I had one... Nice unit witha power amp and speakers. Direct recorded didn't do it for me though...

Steve

I still have one. just racked it back up about a month ago. used it for the "bedroom amp" with a clone 5e3 when I broke my leg back in feb. and was stuck in bed

Rik

Hey I thought you said you were playing a Hot rodded pig nose amp with a 3 channel mod and solo boost and gain stacking back when you were layed up?

 

[Hacksaw]

Hey I thought you said you were playing a Hot rodded pig nose amp with a 3 channel mod and solo boost and gain stacking back when you were layed up?

NOno no!! LOL!! I was the one with a pignose from when I fell on my face!! the 5e3 was 3 channel mod with solo boost via voodu valve! LOL!!

I think.. wait.. stupid lortabs!! I dont remember

 

[Hollywood]

Hey I thought you said you were playing a Hot rodded pig nose amp with a 3 channel mod and solo boost and gain stacking back when you were layed up?

NOno no!! LOL!! I was the one with a pignose from when I fell on my face!! the 5e3 was 3 channel mod with solo boost via voodu valve! LOL!!

I think.. wait.. stupid lortabs!! I dont remember

 

[Digital Jams]

how it will never replace a tube amp and all that shit
IMHO its not "shit"..... its a fact that the Axe will by no means replace tube amps. Maybe sometime in the future when computers get fast enough to truly capture everything about a tube amp.... maybe just maybe then the digital thing might really become more the norm than tubes but who can say Fractal will be around then. That said even at that time I sure tube amps will still be cool to some players.

The problem here is that I never said it would. I would just come on and say that I got this Axe Fx and that I love it and I'd get jumped by all these different people going all tube nazi on me. I agree that quite a few Axe Fx users I've heard from come across as elitist but it goes both ways. In fact, when I started introducing the Axe Fx to the forums I hang out on I wasn't even comparing it to tube rigs, I was comparing it the Vetta II head that it replaced for me.

I never said that it would replace all tube amps or that it should. I'm of the thought that it's another tool to have around. For me it did replace tube rigs, because I can get a fuckload of totally usable tones in a small and relatively cheap package.

I will back you on this, I know you and I have traded our beliefs on the tube vs axe-fx and you have always been cool and we always agreed to certain things and showed respect for each other's findings or ideas.

 

[digwhisper]

how it will never replace a tube amp and all that shit
IMHO its not "shit"..... its a fact that the Axe will by no means replace tube amps. Maybe sometime in the future when computers get fast enough to truly capture everything about a tube amp.... maybe just maybe then the digital thing might really become more the norm than tubes but who can say Fractal will be around then. That said even at that time I sure tube amps will still be cool to some players.

The problem here is that I never said it would. I would just come on and say that I got this Axe Fx and that I love it and I'd get jumped by all these different people going all tube nazi on me. I agree that quite a few Axe Fx users I've heard from come across as elitist but it goes both ways. In fact, when I started introducing the Axe Fx to the forums I hang out on I wasn't even comparing it to tube rigs, I was comparing it the Vetta II head that it replaced for me.

I never said that it would replace all tube amps or that it should. I'm of the thought that it's another tool to have around. For me it did replace tube rigs, because I can get a fuckload of totally usable tones in a small and relatively cheap package.

I will back you on this, I know you and I have traded our beliefs on the tube vs axe-fx and you have always been cool and we always agreed to certain things and showed respect for each other's findings or ideas.

Thank you man.

 

[JamesPeters]

I didn't buy my Axe-Fx to replace any of my amps either. If someone feels their situation warrants this, that's their choice. My choice was to use this in my bedroom for more "wood-shedding", since my playing proficiency has pretty much ground to a halt if not regressed over the last few years and my amps will probably not be kept in my room anymore. I needed an excuse to play more often and having this sitting by my mixer, headphones and monitors makes it a no-brainer when I'm just sitting at the computer (especially if I'm learning a song or want to throw down an idea without even stopping to set up for recording). It's also nice to have for sounds that I don't normally use, like super-distorted fuzz patches just for fun. I can go nuts doing weird things like that if I want...then use it in my amps' effect loops as an effects device. And I'll be keeping it on hand when a friend comes over to record parts on his new CD, whether it be guitar or bass, in case he's having trouble finding unique sounds for the recordings his own amps don't provide (or doesn't want to haul a bass amp around). There can be a lot of value to the Axe-Fx even if someone never replaces a single amp with it.

 

[fredster]

Jeeezus.....I have one, like it, and I'M sick of hearing about the fucking thing.....

No doubt...the hype is kind of embarrassing. There's too much gear out there for zealot-ness.

 

[kannibul]

I came to a realization a year or so ago, that I sound 91.89571% the same no matter what I play on and through.

That, mixed with my desire to go back to drumming again...I sold off most of my guitar gear...then later started buying again when the first round of potential band-dissolvings happened.

My first, and only guitar purchase since then has been an Epiphone LP Standard, which I swapped pickups and put in an RS Guitarworks kit I had laying around. The amp I bought, was a Spider Valve 112. I already had my re-built Epi Valve Jr...I later sold off the Spider Valve, and bought a JVM410, which is an amp I had previously owned (though I bought this one, new, shipped, for less than the total I paid for the Rig-Talk Buy-in), and an Avatar 4x12.

I'm happy with my rig. I start looking at amps and guitars and shit like that, then I mentally slap myself for doing so, because there is zero reason to. The only thing (and exception) that I'm seriously thinking is getting a Fender Standard Strat (MIM) - $430 on MF, and swap the pickups out for Fender SCN's, like what I did to the MIA Strat I sold, just so I have that straty-sound that I can't get with a Les Paul - but that can wait. There's no "pressure" like when I was chasing tone...funny part is, when I found my tone in my gear, I realized my playing (and my wallet) had suffered because of the nearly obsessive drive to find the sound in my head...

I'm more than a little guilty of snobbery...and in the end, it didn't and doesn't matter what I played through - I sound like me. I have an amp that does what I want it to (JVM410) - sure there's some stuff I don't like about it, but why bother with anything else that will just cost me more money...

 

[UltraGary]

Jeeezus.....I have one, like it, and I'M sick of hearing about the fucking thing.....

The BEST quote on this entire website this week.............

 

[stratotone]

I always enjoy hearing people complain about something and giving it a free bump at the same time. Seems counterproductive, but what do I know?

 

[ejecta]

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